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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 27, 2016 12:48:18 GMT
I have to add this here, because this thread is not just about Bran being a Timelord, but about him inhabiting other people. There is nothing stopping Bran from inhabiting Jon's body. We have precedence for thinking this if we combine the Varamyr/Thistle story with the Cat/LS resurrection. For lack of better words, Thistle marked herself somehow, with the scratching of the eyes. It means something. Cat did the same and was reborn into a second life (in the same body) as LS. Jon has the same marks from Orell's eagle. Where was Cat's consciousness for three days? And what is in her now? I've speculated that it's Robb's consciousness inhabiting LS. Cat Tully was not a warg. So anyway BRAN is a warg, a stronger one than Varamyr. Bran can warg at least one living human. Robb was probably a warg. Varamyr was a warg. And remember that when Varamyr steals Orell's eagle, he remembers Orell's hatred for Jon Snow. LS seems to have Cat's anger and Robb's memories. And this is what CH is, a warged dead body, one whose consciousness was with a raven before entering the body. Bran will inhabit Jon's body. The Bran/Jon. Some Pig No Doubt. That wolf howling in the premiere was Summer.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 27, 2016 13:32:49 GMT
Source ArticleIn an interview with Yahoo Singapore, Isaac says some intriguing stuff. Despite the article mentioning kingmaking and earthquakes, I can't find any video of that part of the interview. But the video is worth a watch.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 27, 2016 14:27:54 GMT
Well there definitely is a connection between Coldhands and ravens, so I think it's possible Bloodraven uses the body, but why hasn't the body deteriorated more? I tend to think CH is the ice version of Beric and Lady Stoneheart...someone that was resurrected using magic.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 27, 2016 14:41:28 GMT
I can see Robb warging Lady Stoneheart, but who was warging Beric Dondarrion?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 27, 2016 15:52:24 GMT
I can see Robb warging Lady Stoneheart, but who was warging Beric Dondarrion? himself. Which is why I think it's possible CH is also warging himself.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 27, 2016 16:16:41 GMT
I can see Robb warging Lady Stoneheart, but who was warging Beric Dondarrion? himself. Which is why I think it's possible CH is also warging himself. So Beric Dondarrion was a warg/skinchanger?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 27, 2016 18:06:56 GMT
Not exactly. But it's evident part of him went... somewhere... and came back. And not all of him returned.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 27, 2016 19:12:06 GMT
I'm thinking it's possible to call back the dead, otherwise Leaf and Bloodraven wouldn't have counselled Bran against calling back his father, so I don't believe Coldhands, Beric, and Lady Stoneheart are being warged/skinchanged. I think they were dead once and called back, and like you say, not all there...merely a shadow of their former selves. That being said, they may not be "alone" in their bodies. Whatever form of magic that was used may have included a bit of "evil spirit", like the voice that spoke/answered back to the man that took Varys's "parts".
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 28, 2016 1:18:19 GMT
Not exactly. But it's evident part of him went... somewhere... and came back. And not all of him returned. Like the trees, stones, water, birds. Just lingering. Could be lingering because their is no cold wind to ride on in the Riverlands?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 28, 2016 1:24:52 GMT
I'm thinking it's possible to call back the dead, otherwise Leaf and Bloodraven wouldn't have counselled Bran against calling back his father, so I don't believe Coldhands, Beric, and Lady Stoneheart are being warged/skinchanged. I think they were dead once and called back, and like you say, not all there...merely a shadow of their former selves. That being said, they may not be "alone" in their bodies. Whatever form of magic that was used may have included a bit of "evil spirit", like the voice that spoke/answered back to the man that took Varys's "parts". It's interesting that all of the dead returning to life is happening in Westeros. There are a few variations of second lives, but Westeros is the constant there.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 28, 2016 1:29:22 GMT
It's interesting that all of the dead returning to life is happening in Westeros. There are a few variations of second lives, but Westeros is the constant there. We also have Ser Robert Strong. Would you guys say he was dead? I think it's pretty clear he was, so that's yet another type of zombie/wight/lich. Yet Qyburn seems more of a science man than a magic man, using nuts and bolts as opposed to spells and potions.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 28, 2016 1:44:21 GMT
Qyburn is definitely and odd one. I'm still not sure what he is doing, but maybe Jaime's arm is a clue. Jaime's arm was dying while attached to a living body, but Q brought it back through his learning/knowledge. Okay, I know it's not the same as Ser, but I'm thinking there is some similarity there.
To continue on the other posts above: What is unique to Westeros? Weirwoods, singers, and if I'm not mistaken, ravens. Hmmm.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 28, 2016 1:46:25 GMT
We do have a reanimated wight hand at the Wall, actually. No blue eyes necessary. Hrmmmm. And it couldn't survive the trip to KL.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 28, 2016 16:32:08 GMT
We also have Ser Robert Strong. Would you guys say he was dead? I would say he is dead, and that maester Qyburn figured something out for him, but we don't know if he used fire or ice magic or what. On the mummers show you can see the skin around his eyes looks dark, like a bluish black.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 28, 2016 16:34:32 GMT
We do have a reanimated wight hand at the Wall, actually. No blue eyes necessary. Hrmmmm. And it couldn't survive the trip to KL. The wight hand kept moving until it rotted and the bones must have deteriorated enough to open it to expose the marrow. It also likely didn't move in warmer temperatures as it needs the cold air to become animated. It's the spirit within the bones that remembers and makes it move, which to me proves that they're not being skinchanged. The former person's spirit is what's activated as a result of ice magic.
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