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Post by min on Jul 13, 2016 10:20:41 GMT
I came across this bit; which is probably old news to people here. I get the sense that there will be 5 survivors; at least for the HBO version. However, GRRM says he doesn't like writing stories where people already know the ending. This also must be where Black Crow gets the notion the Arya or Sansa will fall in love with Jon Snow. watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martins-original-plan-game-thrones/
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 13, 2016 10:35:25 GMT
I came across this bit; which is probably old news to people here. I get the sense that there will be 5 survivors; at least for the HBO version. However, GRRM says he doesn't like writing stories where people already know the ending. This also must be where Black Crow gets the notion the Arya or Sansa will fall in love with Jon Snow. watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martins-original-plan-game-thrones/Yes. I think BC begins every thread with this outline or letter.
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Post by min on Jul 13, 2016 10:44:27 GMT
I came across this bit; which is probably old news to people here. I get the sense that there will be 5 survivors; at least for the HBO version. However, GRRM says he doesn't like writing stories where people already know the ending. This also must be where Black Crow gets the notion the Arya or Sansa will fall in love with Jon Snow. watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martins-original-plan-game-thrones/Yes. I think BC begins every thread with this outline or letter. Oh. I haven't looked at Heresy for a long time. I came across it looking for an SSM stating that Arya's sword contained some kind of magic.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 13, 2016 11:22:21 GMT
So does that mean Tyrion is expandable? If I recall correctly Tyrion has the most numbers of PoV chapters, loosing him would be a blow I think, but not beyond Martin to do. I really don't know. But collectively (book and show), Jon, Arya and Dany have survived multiple events that would have meant certain death for ordinary people. Not sure if Tyrion's Blackwater wounds fall into that category, but Tyrion does have an almost-drowning event. What is dead may never die? I'm thinking particularly of Jon and Arya having scenes which strongly parallel Euron's drowning and resurrection. Jon "dying" of his stab wounds but Arya living from hers. Add in Bran's defenestration. In other words it's not just Dany who has had miraculous survivals, hers was more obvious because it was fire I suppose. There's also the Hound I suppose. Plenty of other resurrection-themes and characters actually. What if. Hmm. What if that's part of the magic that's been unleashed? They can't die, they're immortal, but they don't know it. Wights can't really "die" (they have to be destroyed) and we've surmised that Stone Men are immortal for all intents and purposes. Kicking the tires on this. It's just too big of a theme to ignore the possible reasons for it.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 13, 2016 14:36:37 GMT
Varys, Illyrio and Doran are part of a large Rhoynar-centric conspiracy. Will try and post a complete thread on this soon.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 13, 2016 15:08:37 GMT
In other words it's not just Dany who has had miraculous survivals, hers was more obvious because it was fire I suppose. There's also the Hound I suppose. Plenty of other resurrection-themes and characters actually. I think I see where you're coming from with this. I would also then include Davos in this. He survived the Blackwater and then survived dying of thirst and starvation on the pile of rocks. Later he is claimed to be dead but is not. Off the top of my head, Tyrion, Jon, Arya, Dany, Davos and Sam have all had fake out death scenes in the books. By that I mean chapters that end with the reader not knowing if the character has died or will escape death to carry on the story.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 13, 2016 19:07:55 GMT
Varys, Illyrio and Doran are part of a large Rhoynar-centric conspiracy bring on the Stone Men!
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Post by min on Jul 24, 2016 23:49:52 GMT
moved to to fighting fire with fire thread.
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Post by min on Aug 22, 2016 19:15:25 GMT
I'm wondering about the Krakens we might see at some point large and small. I'm reminded of Leaf's warning to Bran and company not to get to close to the river or the water in the caves. Also, Jaimes dream with Brienne; when he can feel the menace of the water and Brienne asking fearfully what is with them in the cave. This could be some additional foreshadowing unrelated to the bear pit. Then there's Patchface. The crow, the crow. Under the sea the crows are white as snow, I know, I know, oh, oh, ohHumboltd Squid have beaks and change colors. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fkl312lldQ“Under the sea, men marry fishes.” Patchface did a little dance step, jingling his bells. “They do, they do, they do." A comparison of squid arms grasping a man and weirwood tree marriages? Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers," he said, clang-a-langing. "I know, I know, oh, oh, oh Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black,” Patchface sang somewhere. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.A school of squid rising from the black flashing blue and green and black? Squid small enough to use underground rivers and cave systems leading to the sea?
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Post by min on Aug 22, 2016 23:43:35 GMT
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jan 24, 2017 1:04:38 GMT
Small theory in the making. Glowing fungus + shared consciousness and the blue light of the cold. Could it be a tie-in with third eye and the trees?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 26, 2017 18:07:53 GMT
A Game of Thrones - Eddard VII A reed, cloaked in vines and flowers, on a slim, fast grey mare, facing off against a powerful opponent. The wolf girl concerned for the rider's safety against a bigger, stronger, and more formidable foe. The wolf girl favoring the rider because of an earlier personal connection. The grey mare's scent distracts the opponent's horse and allows "her" champion to win. KOTLT: Howland. How did Lyanna help him cheat? ETA: to take this further and make it both an echo and an inversion to the ToHH KotLT incident, we look at what happens next - the Mountain by no means accepts his defeat graciously, as did those defeated at the ToHH. Instead, he flies into a rage, kills his own horse, and then tries to take out Loras next. Loras is saved from death only by the intervention of the Hound - the personal protector of the Crown Prince. (As many have noted, such as Melifeather, the Hound is the current day inversion of Arthur Dayne.) Also of note, during CleganeBowl Lite at the Tourney of the Hand, King Bob gets fed up and yells to "Stop this madness!" before The Hound obeys and kneels, and the Mountain stomps away in a fury. At the ToHH, King Aerys is incensed by the KotLT and sends out men to capture the mystery knight.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jan 26, 2017 18:39:11 GMT
KOTLT: Howland. How did Lyanna help him cheat? Parallel to Jorah being bewitched by Lynesse's favor? Ooh. Um. Hmm. Cloaked sounds like glamored. Riding a mare sounds like skinchanging a mare. Hmm.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jan 26, 2017 18:40:47 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Jan 26, 2017 19:21:47 GMT
A Game of Thrones - Eddard VII A reed, cloaked in vines and flowers, on a slim, fast grey mare, facing off against a powerful opponent. The wolf girl concerned for the rider's safety against a bigger, stronger, and more formidable foe. The wolf girl favoring the rider because of an earlier personal connection. The grey mare's scent distracts the opponent's horse and allows "her" champion to win. KOTLT: Howland. How did Lyanna help him cheat? ETA: to take this further and make it both an echo and an inversion to the ToHH KotLT incident, we look at what happens next - the Mountain by no means accepts his defeat graciously, as did those defeated at the ToHH. Instead, he flies into a rage, kills his own horse, and then tries to take out Loras next. Loras is saved from death only by the intervention of the Hound - the personal protector of the Crown Prince. (As many have noted, such as Melifeather , the Hound is the current day inversion of Arthur Dayne.) Also of note, during CleganeBowl Lite at the Tourney of the Hand, King Bob gets fed up and yells to "Stop this madness!" before The Hound obeys and kneels, and the Mountain stomps away in a fury. At the ToHH, King Aerys is incensed by the KotLT and sends out men to capture the mystery knight. I agree that you've found a parallel here. Am wondering now if there's an inversion other than Sandor to Arthur? Are you suggesting that Ser Loras is the inversion to Howland as the Mystery Knight? Or is Ser Loras the inversion to Lyanna as the Mystery Knight? If north is south then the Starks and Daynes should be each other's inverions. Ser Loras is a Tyrell, but an effeminate man who is not-so-secretly gay, while Lyanna is a tomboy, so they are good inversions of each other. Edited to add: after thinking about this further...Ser Loras's mare-in-heat is a hint that it took something "female" to tip the scales in the KotLT's favor, so maybe Lyanna was involved somehow? I had never seriously considered Lyanna as the KotLT before...I lean more towards Howland, but if Lyanna had the wolf blood maybe she skinchanged into Howland and together they were both the KofLT? Edited to add again: gosh, my mind keeps going on this! Ravenous Reader suggested that the color silver is symbolic for greenseers, thus the wearing of silver gowns is a metaphor for slipping into weirwoods. Ser Loras's silver armour with black vines entwining the blue flowers seems to symbolize Howland and Lyanna together. The blue sapphires bring to mind Symeon Star Eyes...I wonder if that is also symbolic of greenseers, who technically may be undead creatures...the blue representing death.
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