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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 9, 2016 0:23:28 GMT
well, that was a brilliant path - and the conclusion is glorious. I much prefer this to the Joyeuse Garde. ETA need to tag Some Pig No Doubt for the reference
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 1:00:35 GMT
I don't know if this qualifies as a small theory, but it doesn't really deserve its own thread, and I thought this the best place to present it. In my spare time (I have no life) I've been trying to look up the origin of the name of some of the Houses in Westeros. One in particular because it is also the name of one of the roads that lead into King's Landing, is Rosby. The only thing I could find for Rosby is as a variant of the surname, Roseby. But according to this article: www.surnamedb.com/Surname/RosebyRoseby derives from a medieval village of Roseberry which in turn was first recorded as Othensberg which in turn is a corruption of "Odin's burg" aka the fortress of Odin. You still with me? Now this is where it gets interesting (at least to me). If you look up Odin's castle or house, it is named Gladsheim, which means the "home of joy". books.google.com/books?id=CoYqAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=Odin's+House&source=bl&ots=iFWo69VzhL&sig=VJ4uJmhD_vvvPehwubah9-awnCU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi96eeZmbLLAhWGtYMKHeJTCNE4ChDoAQgoMAI#v=onepage&q=Odin's%20House&f=false Basically, long story short, this is the circuitous route I took to find out that Odin's palace was named "the home of joy" which of course makes me think of "the tower of joy". Which in turn means the assumption made by many on the Westeros board that the tower of joy is a reference to Lancelot's Joyous Garde, may not be correct, instead it may be a reference to Odin's home Gladsheim. Mic Drop.I am sorry I just had to add that since my mind was blown by your post! Brilliant!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 9, 2016 16:55:58 GMT
Basically, long story short, this is the circuitous route I took to find out that Odin's palace was named "the home of joy" which of course makes me think of "the tower of joy". Which in turn means the assumption made by many on the Westeros board that the tower of joy is a reference to Lancelot's Joyous Garde, may not be correct, instead it may be a reference to Odin's home Gladsheim. I've never heard the theory of the Château de Joyeuse Garde, but now that I've gone down that rabbit hole, I can see why there's an association with ToJ. Except the chateau is actually located in Finistère, which means 'Land's End'. However, I found this. The most interesting part is the last bit, the seeress that gets killed there. So I followed that rabbit trail and found thisOh and the way the Aesir tried to kill her, but failed 3 times, was to burn her in a huge fire, in the centre of Gladsheim.
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Post by jnr on Mar 9, 2016 17:12:19 GMT
Symeon Star-Eyes was a knight... ...of the Sith. Darth Maul, in fact. Hence the thing about chopping two men with a spinning staff.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Mar 11, 2016 2:27:51 GMT
Basically, long story short, this is the circuitous route I took to find out that Odin's palace was named "the home of joy" which of course makes me think of "the tower of joy". Which in turn means the assumption made by many on the Westeros board that the tower of joy is a reference to Lancelot's Joyous Garde, may not be correct, instead it may be a reference to Odin's home Gladsheim. Gladsheim ("place of joy") is the hall of the gods in Asgard, situated on the plain of Ida. Odin owns this hall and presides there, but each of the twelve main gods also has a high seat there. Gladsheim is where the gods meet to make important decisions. It is also the inner citadel or sanctuary of Asgard. The seeress Gullveig was killed here by the Aesir. When the Vanir learned about how the Aesir had treated Gullveig they became incensed with anger. They swore vengeance and began to prepare for war. The Aesir heard about this and moved against the Vanir. This was the first war in the world. I am practically sobbing with happiness right now. I need to finish my Black Armor thread!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 2:08:57 GMT
Joffery is not really the son of Robert.
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Post by snowfyre on Mar 16, 2016 21:14:53 GMT
The Dothraki began as a refugee people in flight from Asshai by the Shadow.
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Post by min on Mar 20, 2016 19:09:40 GMT
The Palestone Sword is an artifact of the Others, won in trail by combat by the last hero.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Mar 20, 2016 20:23:39 GMT
The wws do not raise the dead the Greenseers are behind that "mishiva."
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 20, 2016 23:17:02 GMT
The wws do not raise the dead the Greenseers are behind that "mishiva." This one doesn't sound 'small' Wolfy, it sounds more a fantastic full blown theory. And I, for one, would love to read it.
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Post by min on Mar 20, 2016 23:18:37 GMT
Coldhands gave Val temporary immunity to the killing cold.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 21, 2016 0:15:01 GMT
Coldhands gave Val temporary immunity to the killing cold. Oh my! Now that is an idea that has so many wonderful implications! Truly I'd like to follow this one up. What are you thoughts on this? How could it be Coldhands? OR is Coldhands a vehicle to achieve that end?
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Post by min on Mar 21, 2016 1:22:40 GMT
There is the question of Val's eye color change as observed by Jon when she returns from her solo trek beyond the wall. Well IIRC she goes with Ghost. Jon thinks her eyes are blue at one point. So I wondered if it was possible to be given temporary immunity to the cold in the same way that Dany is given temporary immunity from fire. I have to ask how Crastor's infant boys can survive the cold for any length of time. I think we are given a hint of this in the HBO series when the babe is delivered to the Lord Commander of the Others. When he touches the boy's face; his eyes turn blue. We don't know yet what happens to the boys.
When Bran asks Coldhands why he is leading them to the greenseer; Coldhands simply says that he was asked to help. I think Bloodraven needed his help and sent someone to dig up his grave. Val and Mance. I think Coldhands is Joramun or the Lord with the horns. Val implies indirectly that joramun warned them about winding the horn and I think he left the broken horn using Ghost to lead Jon to that place. Co-incidently, Ghost treks with Val beyond the Wall. Val would need immunity from the cold and protection from the wights who be attracted to her warmth. I'm not sure who else would help Val in this manner if it isn't the aptly named Coldhands.
Coldhands seems to be an independent actor who can command an elk and a flock of crows and raven who scout for him and with whom he communicates. He is also subject to warding and this perhaps explains Ghost's strange behavior at the Fist of the First Men when he sat beyond the fire observing jon and wouldn't enter beyond the standing stones. Who or what he is really is a still big question.
Preposterous, I know.
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Post by min on Mar 21, 2016 11:38:17 GMT
Or perhaps, it's the COTF dug him out of cold storage. Leaf seems pretty anxious for Bran's arrival having waited 200 years. Coldhands does know about the back door down the sink hole. So maybe he's the monster in their closet.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Mar 22, 2016 2:35:06 GMT
The wws do not raise the dead the Greenseers are behind that "mishiva." This one doesn't sound 'small' Wolfy, it sounds more a fantastic full blown theory. And I, for one, would love to read it. This is an old theory had it up since 2012-2013 i believe on Westeros.
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