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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 13, 2017 13:22:09 GMT
A common way to hunt rabbits is to set a trap or snare. Lyanna herself was the rabbit and they wanted to breed her for her progeny. The part about "there's no sheep left" must be in reference to "willing humans" or humans that are willing to make these sacrifices. Sheep are known to be docile and easily led. They also represent the innocent aspect of children Most of this also applies to deer. Rabbits and deer share a lot of characteristics too, most notably their periods of activity (dawn and dusk), their tendency to be easily startled and bolt into danger instead of away from it, their position as a game animal, and their coloring - that perfect greige, the grey-brown known as "dun" that allows them to blend into a wide variety of surroundings....much like we see with roughspun and the grey-brown clothing of commoners and those in disguise (see Fisherman's Daughter: Merry Midwife). A big difference is that while rabbits easily and often interbreed with first-degree genetic relations (even their littermates) and produce numerous progeny, the deer very rarely does. It happens, though....WHITE deer are the usual result of inbred pairings. And of course, the doe only produces 1-2 fawns at a time. Deer only mate/breed one time per year, whereas rabbits...well, breed like rabbits.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 13, 2017 13:34:24 GMT
Also interesting w/r/t the baby swap with Gilly, the "king's" son is in danger of being used for blood magic so is sent away in the care of the LC's right hand man. However, the real irony is that Gilly's wildling incest baby probably has the most magic that Mel needs. The real special baby stays in the North, whereas the faux-royal average baby goes to the south.
Need to explore that. ETA: and factor in Aerys, the Stannis parallel in this case, the king who according to Jaime believed he would survive the cleansing fire and be reborn as a dragon.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 13, 2017 13:48:45 GMT
The part about "there's no sheep left" must be in reference to "willing humans" or humans that are willing to make these sacrifices. Agreed. Sounds like Craster is the only "willing" one left?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 13, 2017 14:00:56 GMT
The real special baby stays in the North, whereas the faux-royal average baby goes to the south. Inversion being... Sam is Jon and Jon is Sam! w00t. Seriously though, I spent a very long time believing Jon was Aegon VI in Dany's vision, whose song is the song of ice and fire. Anyway lol - still trying to make sense of some of the inversions, but I think this tells us without a doubt that there were indeed two babies involved in the events of the "ToJ", one royal and one otherbaby/magical baby/wildling baby. In regards to this chapter and the rabbits, I think there was a third baby involved, the one that was killed during the Sack. It's my personal belief that this baby was the son of Ashara Dayne and possibly Ned. If Elia and Rhaegar smuggled out Aegon VI they would need a substitute. Who better than her handmaid's baby, being that she looks like a Targ? As usual, I have to insist that GRRM includes that detail (Daynes look like Targs) for a reason that needs to serve the story. (Further, this could potentially mean Faegon is a Stark/Dayne and Sword of the Morning - if Varys is telling the truth. Also gives a motive for Ned visiting Ashara her committing jumpicide, Ned's crazy reaction when Cat mentions her, etc). Anyway, the slaughter of the rabbit in this chapter does seem to suggest the slaughter of a baby. When you get a chance, can you skim this chapter? I think Old Turtle spent a lot of time on it planting clues. In this passage, we get mention of the grey-green sentinels. This is significant because Dany talks of the grey-green mountains of Westeros. They are not associated with anywhere else but the North in the books. Further we get a very cool snipped about the wild WHITE roses, lightning-damage (like the broken tower of winterfell).
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 13, 2017 14:06:40 GMT
In this passage, we get mention of the grey-green sentinels. This is significant because Dany talks of the grey-green mountains of Westeros. They are not associated with anywhere else but the North in the books. also houses of stone in her wake the dragon dream...lots of connections to Westeros north, really. more later
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Post by Melifeather on Sept 13, 2017 14:23:35 GMT
Agreed. Sounds like Craster is the only "willing" one left? Craster is a willing sheep, but his babies maybe aren't as magical? Sure, they may be good for raising the dead into white walkers, but to make a super-magical-Starky-baby you need a Stark mother. In regards to this chapter and the rabbits, I think there was a third baby involved, the one that was killed during the Sack. It's my personal belief that this baby was the son of Ashara Dayne and possibly Ned. If Elia and Rhaegar smuggled out Aegon VI they would need a substitute. Who better than her handmaid's baby, being that she looks like a Targ? I agree that the Pisswater Prince was Ashara's baby, who was killed when Ser Gregor Clegane bashed his head against the Wall. As usual, I have to insist that GRRM includes that detail (Daynes look like Targs) for a reason that needs to serve the story. (Further, this could potentially mean Faegon is a Stark/Dayne and Sword of the Morning - if Varys is telling the truth. Also gives a motive for Ned visiting Ashara her committing jumpicide, Ned's crazy reaction when Cat mentions her, etc). I tend to disagree here, because I think Ashara's child died, but I think she saved Rhaegar's son Aegon and became his nursemaid. Aegon probably really is Aegon. Ned didn't need to travel with a baby, nor did he have to send someone to Winterfell with a baby, because Jon was always at Winterfell if he was born with the dead in the crypts. Anyway, the slaughter of the rabbit in this chapter does seem to suggest the slaughter of a baby. I tend to disagree with this also. Lyanna is the rabbit that was slaughtered, but her baby, Jon survived.
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