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Post by jnr on Mar 24, 2016 5:50:13 GMT
As we all know, TWOW will not be published before season six.
As we also know, that means we're going to get spoiled like a Hilton kid.
But what I say we don't know... is what those spoilers will actually be.
For instance, if Sansa kills Ramsay by inserting a sword where it was never meant to go, will that be a spoiler for book six? Or will it simply mean that Show World is totally different from Book World on that point?
We won't know.
If Jon Show's parents are explained to us, will that be a spoiler for Jon Snow's parents?
We won't really know that for sure either.
So I thought it would be interesting to do a thread in which people chime in saying "I think X is definitely a book spoiler" or "I don't care what we just saw, that shit's never happening in the books."
Then when TWOW is out, we can compare the predictions with the results!
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Post by min on Mar 24, 2016 14:36:01 GMT
OK. In the spoiler about Ned Stark possibly battling Arthur Dayne; Ned will take the Dawn Sword back to Winterfell with him and hide it in the crypts. I think that's both a show and book spoiler. Ned and Ser Arthur will say some ambiguous stuff that will frame Jon's parents as RLJ and the firey sword will confirm that expectation in the last season. Although taking the Dawn Sword back to Winterfell leaves open some questions that can't be explained by RLJ in the book. The Dawn Sword placed in the crypts at Winterfell may also be the cause of Winter emanating from Winterfell in the books. So another book spoiler.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 24, 2016 16:34:31 GMT
OK. In the spoiler about Ned Stark possibly battling Arthur Dayne; Ned will take the Dawn Sword back to Winterfell with him and hide it in the crypts. I think that's both a show and book spoiler. Ned and Ser Arthur will say some ambiguous stuff that will frame Jon's parents as RLJ and the firey sword will confirm that expectation in the last season. Although taking the Dawn Sword back to Winterfell leaves open some questions that can't be explained by RLJ in the book. The Dawn Sword placed in the crypts at Winterfell may also be the cause of Winter emanating from Winterfell in the books. So another book spoiler. You know, for the first time I am seriously considering this and it's because of the through the looking glass theory. If Bran altered reality in the present tense, but didn't actually change the past - just the future - BUT caused people to mis-remember things, then Ned could have the false memory of returning Arthur Dayne's sword to Starfall. Lets go off the assumption that Lyanna died in the tower with the lightning strike near Winterfell, and Ned also killed Arthur there, but since Bran flipped reality Ned remembers it as finding Lyanna at the tower of joy and thought he returned the sword to Starfall, when in fact he actually brought it with him back to Winterfell. Wow...mind blown. Weasel Pie Some Pig No Doubt
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Post by min on Mar 24, 2016 17:09:06 GMT
Jon wakes up and looks out of the window at Castle Black. He sees the white morning star shaped like a sword. If I had this app you all seem to have, I could find the exact quote.
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Post by jnr on Mar 24, 2016 17:14:04 GMT
Wow, folks are already doing it. I was picturing the thread becoming relevant when the show episodes are airing, and we actually know what happens in season six... but ideas now are of course welcome!
Here's a prediction: if we do get to see the battle at the TOJ in season six, whatever method is used to show it will be the same method used in the books.
Example: If Bran has a weirwood vision of Ned fighting the KG in the show, he will in the books, too.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 24, 2016 17:24:32 GMT
Jon wakes up and looks out of the window at Castle Black. He sees the white morning star shaped like a sword. If I had this app you all seem to have, I could find the exact quote. I am familiar with the quote and the various essays people have written about Dawn being the original Ice, which I still do not ascribe to. You cannot defeat the ice practicing Others with a sword created with ice magic. You need the opposing fire magic, but if you needed to kill Melisandre, well then Dawn is just the ticket. I'm imagining Jon with both swords, because he is surrounded on all sides by his enemies.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 24, 2016 18:03:01 GMT
Here's a prediction: if we do get to see the battle at the TOJ in season six, whatever method is used to show it will be the same method used in the books. Example: If Bran has a weirwood vision of Ned fighting the KG in the show, he will in the books, too. Clever! Yes the method will most likely be the same, but will the content? I doubt it. I think there is a good possibility the mystery of why the Starks and the Daynes have this mutual respect is going to be different in the books. There's a deeper story there than we know, and while the show may take the easy road out and just make it about Ned loving Ashara, there's got to be more to it than this, because why would Arthur be worthy of Ned's respect just because Ned was with Arthur's sister? Especially if Ned left said sister with a still born daughter? Makes only superficial sense, if any at all.
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Post by jnr on Mar 25, 2016 1:21:54 GMT
I think there is a good possibility the mystery of why the Starks and the Daynes have this mutual respect is going to be different in the books. Could be. I am really unclear what the show plans to do in the Dayne department, though I'm also sure none of us have forgotten that remarkably suggestive casting call for the best swordsman in Europe. And personally, I'd rather see what Dayne does in Rhaegar's missing time than the TOJ battle... one situation in particular... ...but seeing that would probably be too good to be true, and might be too complex for the show audience. D&D have really got a tough job ahead, getting fans to comprehend past and dead characters and their motives and their behavior, when for the most part they think of Stannis as Bald Wannabe King Guy, Brienne as Tall Tough Woman, Lyanna as Statue Woman, and Elia's legendary husband as "Ray-gun" -- if it thinks of him at all.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 25, 2016 13:55:09 GMT
jnr, you probably remember me saying that GRRM could likely "confirm" RLJ in TWoW, only to change that in ADoS, even in the very last sentence of the very last paragraph. So, I think we might see a few carefully-chosen "spoilers" this season that are nothing but deliberate fake-outs. And GRRM's assertion that he's got plans for a character that the show killed off, and possibilities of deliberating changing the story so it's different from the show; frankly it's a mess. getting fans to comprehend past and dead characters and their motives and their behavior, when for the most part they think of Stannis as Bald Wannabe King Guy, Brienne as Tall Tough Woman, Lyanna as Statue Woman, and Elia's legendary husband as "Ray-gun" -- if it thinks of him at all.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 25, 2016 14:20:28 GMT
I'm really thinking that people believed Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar, because of Bran's manipulation of the present. He's trying to affect a different outcome of "something", but the side effects caused people to have memories of things that never even happened...just things that might have happened, if you understand what I'm talking about.
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Post by jnr on Mar 26, 2016 15:55:34 GMT
jnr, you probably remember me saying that GRRM could likely "confirm" RLJ in TWoW, only to change that in ADoS, even in the very last sentence of the very last paragraph. That's definitely possible, but my guess continues to be that TWOW will be where he does the actual revelation, and whe he does it, it will be as comprehensive as it needs to be, to satisfy fans. Meaning all sorts of questions will be asked and answered about how that situation emerged and developed, the motives involved, etc. etc. It will be thorough. Whether that's correct or not we should certainly find out this year (assuming GRRM finishes).
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Mar 26, 2016 18:58:30 GMT
my guess continues to be that TWOW will be where he does the actual revelation, and whe he does it, it will be as comprehensive as it needs to be, to satisfy fans. Meaning all sorts of questions will be asked and answered about how that situation emerged and developed, the motives involved, etc. etc. It will be thorough. If he has any sense at all he'll go ahead and do just this in TWOW if only to have fans finally shut the fuck up about the series' greatist mystery evar.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 26, 2016 19:48:07 GMT
my guess continues to be that TWOW will be where he does the actual revelation, and whe he does it, it will be as comprehensive as it needs to be, to satisfy fans. Meaning all sorts of questions will be asked and answered about how that situation emerged and developed, the motives involved, etc. etc. It will be thorough. If he has any sense at all he'll go ahead and do just this in TWOW if only to have fans finally shut the fuck up about the series' greatist mystery evar.
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Post by jnr on Mar 27, 2016 5:04:53 GMT
If he has any sense at all he'll go ahead and do just this in TWOW if only to have fans finally shut the fuck up about the series' greatist mystery evar. ...little realizing that long after ASOIAF is finished, there will still be Greatist Mystery Evar true believers contributing to v. 250 of their beloved thread, at least one of whom will still be posting with a username that mixes the parentage of the now-exploded theory.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 27, 2016 10:57:15 GMT
there will still be Greatist Mystery Evar true believers contributing to v. 250 of their beloved thread, at least one of whom will still be posting with a username that mixes the parentage of the now-exploded theory. "He changed it because we all guessed it!"
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