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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 6, 2016 2:07:41 GMT
‘‘Mother,’’ he said, ‘‘Grey Wind...’’ Whoa, that sounds a lot like Jon's last words.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 6, 2016 17:48:09 GMT
FTR I had no idea this was a topic elsewhere until I was linked. Weird timing. Eh, not the first time it was discussed anyway, lol.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 8, 2016 23:59:46 GMT
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 10, 2016 15:26:45 GMT
Anyway, I had a thought. I always thought it was stupid of D&D to eliminate Lady Stoneheart. Awesome character, built-in shock value for the TV audience, plus revenge on the Freys. Kickass really. So why eliminate her? Because she's Robb, that's why. And an LS/Robb reveal would have taken away too much thunder from the Jon Snow resurrection - people would have guessed he wasn't really dead. <-- Comrade Crackpot
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 10, 2016 15:57:57 GMT
Maybe, but if she's Robb that probably kills one of my long held beliefs that when Brienne is supposed to choose between noose and sword that she instead shouts "Stannis". She made Catelyn swear an oath that she would not stand in the way of Brienne killing Stannis, so I believe that is what she says and that Lady Stoneheart lets her go.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 11, 2016 0:10:15 GMT
she instead shouts "Stannis". She made Catelyn swear an oath that she would not stand in the way of Brienne killing Stannis, so I believe that is what she says and that Lady Stoneheart lets her go. That's a good catch. I forgot she made that oath to Brienne. But would Robb honour an oath he didn't make?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 11, 2016 0:13:08 GMT
But would Robb honour an oath he didn't make? They could co-exist in there. Hrm.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 11, 2016 0:15:48 GMT
But would Robb honour an oath he didn't make? They could co-exist in there. Hrm. LMAO! I had that same thought as I was writing that post, and then second guessed myself. But yes they definitely could. Varamyr didn't kick Thistle out, he just wanted control over her body, not to push her out.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 17, 2016 18:04:36 GMT
one of my long held beliefs that when Brienne is supposed to choose between noose and sword that she instead shouts "Stannis Well, GRRM confirmed that Brienne said sword. Now what was talked of between Stoneheart and Brienne afterward
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 17, 2016 18:08:00 GMT
one of my long held beliefs that when Brienne is supposed to choose between noose and sword that she instead shouts "Stannis Well, GRRM confirmed that Brienne said sword. Now what was talked of between Stoneheart and Brienne afterward We shall see. Technically "sword" is the same as calling Stannis if you ask me.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 27, 2016 13:16:30 GMT
I'm realizing this whole question is a clue, and supposed to make us connect Varamyr/Thistle/Orell's story with Cat/Robb's story. And ultimately Jon's story.
Cat
Thistle
Jon
First, he dreams about it
Then he brings Bran into it
The eagle attacks Ghost
The eagle stalks Jon after Orell dies.
Jon
So yeah, Robb warged Cat. But the significance of this is that Jon's dead body will be warged.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 28, 2016 20:29:15 GMT
I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it. The eagle scratched Jon out of hatred, Cat scratched her face out of grief, and Thistle scratched her eyes fighting Varamyr off. All different reasons for scratching. What would be the purpose for Bran to warg Jon? If warging a dead body is possible, then he can warg any dead body right now. IMO we'll see a resurrection akin to Beric or Catelyn, and while Melisandre is within easy reach it may be Val that ends up doing it. I'm not trying to be difficult...just debating the specifics.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 28, 2016 22:15:54 GMT
We're meant to make a connection. Thistle fought off a warg. Jon killed a warg, then fought a warged eagle. Cat's son Robb was a warg (we believe). I don't think GRRM does "random" especially not three random events that revolve around wargs, all with specific outcomes.
Bran would warg Jon for the same reason he wargs Hodor. Because he can, and to walk. He has Hodor, why would be want to warg "any dead body"? But if it's Jon? Different story. It's Jon.
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