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Post by Melifeather on Apr 12, 2016 2:49:16 GMT
I don't think you have to be a Targaryen to draw the Ebony Blade or be the Black Knight. Just "black".
What candidates are you talking about?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 12, 2016 13:38:41 GMT
That one may need to be answered by Some Pig No Doubt . She's the expert of the Ebony Blade. In the comics, yes, only a descendant of Ser Percy (House Dayne) can wield the Ebony Blade. Inerestingly enough (and this is from a much later arc in the Black Knight series), Dane Whitman's squire picked up the Ebony Blade after Dane fell to defend someone against the forces of Morgan le Fay.....the dark powers and bloodlust of the sword transformed him into the evil and murderous character known as Bloodwraith.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 12, 2016 14:04:45 GMT
only a descendant of Ser Percy (House Dayne) can wield the Ebony Blade I am confused by your connection between House Dayne and the Ebony Blade. I thought the Daynes had Dawn, the blade that reflects the light? Are there two swords or one?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 12, 2016 14:38:24 GMT
I'm about to repost that BK info in the Marvel forum.
Basically, the Black Knight is the inverse to ASOIAF KG Arthur Dayne. Arthur is a white knight who carries the white sword, but the backstory is the same. So Dawn = Ebony Blade.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 12, 2016 14:42:22 GMT
Basically, the Black Knight is the inverse to ASOIAF KG Arthur Dayne. Arthur is a white knight who carries the white sword, but the backstory is the same. So Dawn = Ebony Blade. Sword of the Morning, Sword of the Evening. There can be two! The Inverse of AD was Gerold (Darkstar), who coveted Dawn and still does. But my pic for the current Sword of the Evening is Brienne, daughter of the Evenstar. She also, conveniently, has a squire. She also, conveniently, has a special sword that's full of Stark blood and has black and red ripples. (Jaime is SOTM due to his Dayne imagery in his dream, but that's another story)
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 12, 2016 14:47:25 GMT
I'm about to repost that BK info in the Marvel forum. Basically, the Black Knight is the inverse to ASOIAF KG Arthur Dayne. Arthur is a white knight who carries the white sword, but the backstory is the same. So Dawn = Ebony Blade. Do you think there is only one sword, but it can change between white and black depending on who draws it?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 12, 2016 14:59:00 GMT
So anyway, getting back to my OP I'm curious about the scene in the upcoming season where the WW's walk through fire. There are three memorable scenes where fire was the star of the show in the wall and beyond. Aemon's funeral, Ygritte's funeral and Leaf lobbing fireballs at wights. Are the WW infiltrating the Cot3EC? Or are they crashing a funeral? It would not be the first time a funeral took place North of the Wall (Ygritte).
So this could be about Otherdaddy rescuing his son's body.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 12, 2016 15:22:47 GMT
So anyway, getting back to my OP I'm curious about the scene in the upcoming season where the WW's walk through fire. There are three memorable scenes where fire was the star of the show in the wall and beyond. Aemon's funeral, Ygritte's funeral and Leaf lobbing fireballs at wights. Are the WW infiltrating the Cot3EC? Or are they crashing a funeral? It would not be the first time a funeral took place North of the Wall (Ygritte).
So this could be about Otherdaddy rescuing his son's body. I apologize WP, I did not mean to go off topic. Would it be off topic to say that the use of fireballs is more symbolic to let us know what kind of magic they're using?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 12, 2016 15:26:00 GMT
So anyway, getting back to my OP I'm curious about the scene in the upcoming season where the WW's walk through fire. There are three memorable scenes where fire was the star of the show in the wall and beyond. Aemon's funeral, Ygritte's funeral and Leaf lobbing fireballs at wights. Are the WW infiltrating the Cot3EC? Or are they crashing a funeral? It would not be the first time a funeral took place North of the Wall (Ygritte).
So this could be about Otherdaddy rescuing his son's body. I apologize WP, I did not mean to go off topic. Would it be off topic to say that the use of fireballs is more symbolic to let us know what kind of magic they're using? I actually really want to talk about the swords - waiting for a new thread on that So the show's decision to have the CotF use fireballs is telling you they use fire magic? Now that you bring it up, it's obvious. Hrm. So therefore my OP is correct, right!?
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 12, 2016 15:47:18 GMT
I apologize WP, I did not mean to go off topic. Would it be off topic to say that the use of fireballs is more symbolic to let us know what kind of magic they're using? I actually really want to talk about the swords - waiting for a new thread on that So the show's decision to have the CotF use fireballs is telling you they use fire magic? Now that you bring it up, it's obvious. Hrm. So therefore my OP is correct, right!? I think the CotF chose fire magic to defeat the Others and the TV show chose to show fireballs to symbolically represent the use of fire magic. It's simplifies the message. If your definition of an Other is a human wildling, then I could see Jon being half Other.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 12, 2016 17:56:45 GMT
So anyway, getting back to my OP I'm curious about the scene in the upcoming season where the WW's walk through fire. There are three memorable scenes where fire was the star of the show in the wall and beyond. Aemon's funeral, Ygritte's funeral and Leaf lobbing fireballs at wights. Are the WW infiltrating the Cot3EC? Or are they crashing a funeral? It would not be the first time a funeral took place North of the Wall (Ygritte).
So this could be about Otherdaddy rescuing his son's body. You all lost me a bit with the parallels between the swords. In any case, and again I don't like using the show as evidence, however that last line of the spoiler, hmm, if that came about, I'd definitely have to consider it as some sort of evidence as to Jon's significance. But again, I think D&D have quaffed the Kool-Aid offered by the popular opinions of a certain website owner. So
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Post by winterbowl on Apr 13, 2016 9:17:26 GMT
Apparently the scenes inside the Tower of Joy were shot with a skeleton crew, the absolute minimum people required to shoot the scene. If Lyanna was some kind of Other when she gave birth to Jon we will find out this season.
I love this theory because it explains so much, including the False Spring. It also ties together everything neatly into the whole story being the fallout of events leading up to Robert's Rebellion and after. Now we know the Others are coming back because of something Lyanna did, a character we've been hearing about from the beginning.
Bran's vision of the pregnant woman emerging from the black pool could easily be the first Lyanna. GRRM uses the term 'chink in the wall' in that Dany vision meaning a weakness in the wall. Did the lady in the vision find a cave in the black pool that led to the Lands of Always Winter? And was she there impregnated by an 'Other'? The mystery deepens.
There are other profound mysteries that lead me to believe GRRM is pulling one over on all of us. Why did Rhaegar refer to Aegon as having The Song of Ice and Fire?
And, this one still baffles me completely, what was the purpose of showing Drogo beyond the Wall with their child in the show version of the House of the Undying? It makes no fucking sense.
I'm definitely anticipating this season heavily, I think it could be really shocking.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 13, 2016 10:57:50 GMT
Apparently the scenes inside the Tower of Joy were shot with a skeleton crew, the absolute minimum people required to shoot the scene. If Lyanna was some kind of Other when she gave birth to Jon we will find out this season. I love this theory because it explains so much, including the False Spring. It also ties together everything neatly into the whole story being the fallout of events leading up to Robert's Rebellion and after. Now we know the Others are coming back because of something Lyanna did, a character we've been hearing about from the beginning. Bran's vision of the pregnant woman emerging from the black pool could easily be the first Lyanna. GRRM uses the term 'chink in the wall' in that Dany vision meaning a weakness in the wall. Did the lady in the vision find a cave in the black pool that led to the Lands of Always Winter? And was she there impregnated by an 'Other'? The mystery deepens. There are other profound mysteries that lead me to believe GRRM is pulling one over on all of us. Why did Rhaegar refer to Aegon as having The Song of Ice and Fire? And, this one still baffles me completely, what was the purpose of showing Drogo beyond the Wall with their child in the show version of the House of the Undying? It makes no fucking sense. I'm definitely anticipating this season heavily, I think it could be really shocking. Thanks, you've hit on a lot of points that support my theory. And welcome, by the way! There's also the mystery of why no one in-universe is guessing that Jon is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar. Something must have happened that makes that impossible to believe, Lyanna having died much sooner than we think, for example. Several of my personal theories tie all of this together of course, and you've hit on an imporant one. A "chink" is a vulnerability, you nailed it. And thank you about Aegon! You can't dismiss a line like that
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Post by winterbowl on Apr 13, 2016 11:14:44 GMT
Also Black Crow is literally GRRM or paid by him. Explains why he doesn't write faster.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 13, 2016 12:00:58 GMT
Also Black Crow is literally GRRM or paid by him. Explains why he doesn't write faster. I think you're giving BC too much credit! Although, I do believe he is a historical fiction writer. And welcome to our forum! I'm Feather Crystal on Heresy, by the way. The tower of joy scene, Lyanna's death, and Jon's parentage has generated more discussion than any other topic. It is weird, like WP says that in story the people of Westeros don't wonder more about Jon's parentage or even suspect that Lyanna and Rhaegar are his parents. Why is that? There must be some details that are "known" in world that the reader doesn't.
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