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Post by min on Nov 2, 2016 13:56:00 GMT
Support for Lyanna - this gets her into Dorne where she is implied to be while avoiding the "R&L and two KG went 1000 miles down the Kingsroad in disguise!" nonsense. Lyanna being shipped to Starfall explains the "they" who found Ned holding her hand, resolves the wonkiness surrounding the idea of the birth of a baby in an abandoned watchtower with 3 KG acting as midwives, and answers the eternal question of how Ned Stark knew to take 7 northmen (all from houses west of the Kingsroad that form a solid line of western border defense from the Rills to the Bay of Ice, I might add - what's coming in from the Sunset Sea? Iron Islanders?) down to the famous round tower and find his missing sister with seemingly minimal effort - he already knew where she was, because he helped get her there. If, and it's a big IF, Lyanna did bear a child around the time of the Sack, the timing of the FD encounter could also work well here. At this point, I'm inclined to go with Lyanna and Ned smuggling her out of Winterfell unknown to Robert. The whole business with the rumor of Lyanna eloping or being taken by Rhaegar is likely to have infuriated Robert and he may well have reacted in a murderous rage and thought of Lyanna as a whore having betrayed him. Ned is certain that Robert would "kill them all" when he contemplates telling Robert about Cersei's children. I think the whole reaction to Dany as a whore and the killing of Ellia's 'dragonspawn' is a replay on Robert's unresolved rage over the Rhaegar/Lyanna love story. The irony is that Robert may well be Jon's father. It would make sense to me that they would travel to White Harbor on the way south from Winterfell. House Manderley might have been involved in harboring them given the naming of Wylla Manderley. My guess is that Lyanna travelled under that name.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 8, 2017 17:03:42 GMT
Dropping in this link to this brilliant observation by poster St Daga at W on this subject: asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/144741-pondering-on-the-purpose-of-the-three-sisters-davos-chapter-in-dance/&do=findComment&comment=7841970More to support the idea that the FD = Ashara Dayne!! "Things that are outside of the main plot that I think are interesting are two ships that Davos mentions. The first is called the Merry Midwife and Davos arrived on her from Sisterton. This ship is actually described by Davos as drab and pock-marked, with grey and brown sails. Her figurehead is interesting, and is of a laughing woman, holding an infant by one foot. This makes me think of several things, namely Ashara Dayne, who was described as having laughing purple eyes, and she is holding an infant by one foot, which is similar to the story of Achilles and his mother Thetis, who dipped her son in the river Styx to protect him from harm. The second ship is the Sloe Eyed Maid, which is actually a ship that Dany thought to book passage on for she and her dragons to reach Westeros. It turnes out the Sloe Eyed Maid crashed on the shores of Sisterton, and was destroyed completely, probably when it was lured into shore by the ship wreckers at Sisterton (which is hinted at in Davos II, when Lord Borrell talks of the spices he got off a sloe eyed maid, and which he offeres to Davos to flavor up is Sister's Stew). Sloe eyed is defined as having attractive dark and almond shaped eyes. Sloe berries are purple in color (although the juice is red). Ashara Dayne is refered to as the maid with the laughting purple eyes, and Barriston Selmy thinks Dany could be Ashara's daugher, because of her eyes. So the Sloe Eyed Maid also makes me think of both Dany and Ashara Dayne. I wonder if the author is alluding to the possibility that Ashara Dayne was here in White Harbor in the past, possible disguised as a fishermans daughter along with Ned Stark. Could this be allusion to Wylla, a midwife/wet nurse/caregiver?" My response: "This is fascinating - great catches there. I'll add to the idea of the Merry Midwife - the drab, pock-marked, grey & brown sails description brings to mind one of the lower/common septas or a Silent Sister; also the disguises that several characters have donned throughout the series when they wanted to travel unrecognized or be inconspicuous. Tie that in with the Sloe-Eyed Maid, which was lured in under the pretense of aid/safe passage but was in reality being drawn to harm & total destruction. One could make a parallel comparison to the Fisherman's Daughter ferrying Ned across the Bite, only for them to crash upon Sisterton, boat completely destroyed. Interesting also that the Sloe-Eyed Maid was destroyed upon the shores, but the Merry Midwife, the beat-up old cog with grey and tattered sails so similar to a peasant disguise, leaves Sisterton 'alive'/intact and safely delivers Davos to White Harbor."
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Post by Melifeather on Jan 8, 2017 20:17:55 GMT
The pock marks are what stood out to me. The two ships are symbolic of two women: Ashara and Lyanna. One of them either had real red spots or only pretended just like Myrcella and Rosanund.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 8, 2017 20:55:15 GMT
I knew you would like that part! What's interesting about the actual book passage is that only the woman's cheeks and the baby's bottom (the figurehead) have the wormhole pocks. Also, the hull is covered in layers of drab gray paint - blatant hints to a disguise, if you ask me.
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