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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 26, 2016 14:19:36 GMT
I actually already have a screenshot of that - Jon's blood in the snow. What do you think?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Apr 26, 2016 14:20:13 GMT
On a rewatch last night I can say with 99% confidence... that was not Ghost howling. They show him scratching and snarling, but never howling. In fact, the howl echoes while he's locked in the shed. Has to be Summer, alerting Bran possibly. The show hasn't really been very consistent about Ghost being a mute. It's one of the main things that irritated me in the show last night (and there were many things to choose from).
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 26, 2016 14:30:58 GMT
I thought the blood smear looked vaguely like a dragon, but perhaps that's just years of R + L conditioning that is making me see things in the Snow that aren't there. Well played!
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 26, 2016 14:33:27 GMT
It does look more like a dragon than anything else.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 26, 2016 14:35:29 GMT
Why did Davos do a double take on the snow after lifting Jon's body? I actually paused play on that, and I can't see a thing there to look suspicious, other than the fact there doesn't seem to be enough blood. I thought the blood smear looked vaguely like a dragon, but perhaps that's just years of R + L conditioning that is making me see things in the Snow that aren't there. When Jon is lying in the pool of blood, the puddle to the right of the screen does look like a dragon breathing fire. The blood after Jon is moved is a lot different. People on other sites have attempted to see all types of things in the markings on the snow. Pretty funny, actually.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 26, 2016 14:37:50 GMT
Jon's blood in the snow. What do you think? See, this is what I mean, the long streak of blood that flowed past his head doesn't seem to be there as clearly as before and the rest of it just seems to have pooled strictly below his torso, leaving an upper body and arms shape in the snow. I suppose when I squint I can see the rough shape of a dragon, but in all honesty it just looks like the impression of his body. Or are the arms in the wrong positions to have been made by his body?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 26, 2016 14:50:42 GMT
Jon's blood in the snow. What do you think? See, this is what I mean, the long streak of blood that flowed past his head doesn't seem to be there as clearly as before and the rest of it just seems to have pooled strictly below his torso, leaving an upper body and arms shape in the snow. I suppose when I squint I can see the rough shape of a dragon, but in all honesty it just looks like the impression of his body. Or are the arms in the wrong positions to have been made by his body? I thought it a continuity issue. But Davos studying it for a couple of seconds makes me wonder.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 26, 2016 15:07:07 GMT
Why did Davos do a double take on the snow after lifting Jon's body? I actually paused play on that, and I can't see a thing there to look suspicious, other than the fact there doesn't seem to be enough blood. You guys know I'm as tinfoil as they come, but in this case I think this is just a reaction to the blood itself and Davos' dawning realization that this was a murder. He figured out from the blood pool that Jon had been stabbed. I think he sees the "traitor" sign either right before or right after and he puts together that it was a mutiny. No snow dragons, sorry.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 26, 2016 15:16:14 GMT
I think this is just a reaction to the blood itself and Davos' dawning realization that this was a murder. I can agree with this. It's similar to my thoughts about them holing up with Jon's dead body. They aren't necessarily "guarding" the body, but rather trying to organize to protect from an attack. Any of Jon's friends would feel threatened now.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 26, 2016 15:40:10 GMT
My own thought was... damn that's a lot of blood, he can't possibly have survived that. Maybe Davos was thinking something similar. At the least, D&D and director Podeswa wanted it to be something we paid attention to. To prolong our belief that Jon is really dead? I don't see a dragon, and I still can't. If I had to stretch it, I'd say I see an impression of his upper body, possibly one holding a sword. Black Ice armor maybe lol.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 26, 2016 15:58:28 GMT
If I had to stretch it, I'd say I see an impression of his upper body, possibly one holding a sword. Black Ice armor maybe lol. I don't think the impression of his upper body is a stretch at all, it seems quite clear it's a torso and his upper arms. I checked the shot of Jon laying there and the position of the arms match up with the 'wings' that folk see as a dragon. The possibility of it representing the Black Ice Armour did occur to me too. Maybe it's a nod to book readers, as they do every once in a while.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 26, 2016 16:09:46 GMT
I think Jon is most everyone's favorite hero, but what if he's really dead and that's it? What if his parents are Rhaegar and Ashara?
As I'm deciphering the inversion chapters, I see evidence that Lyanna and Ashara swapped identities, because Myrcella and her handmaiden Rosamund did on her trip from Kings Landing to Dorne by way of Braavos.
It'll be interesting when I get into the inversion chapter Cat of the Canals to see if Arya is indeed mirroring Lyanna or if she's actually mirroring Ashara.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 26, 2016 16:21:55 GMT
If I had to stretch it, I'd say I see an impression of his upper body, possibly one holding a sword. Black Ice armor maybe lol. I don't think the impression of his upper body is a stretch at all, it seems quite clear it's a torso and his upper arms. I checked the shot of Jon laying there and the position of the arms match up with the 'wings' that folk see as a dragon. The possibility of it representing the Black Ice Armour did occur to me too. Maybe it's a nod to book readers, as they do every once in a while. nice job with the comparison, that's pretty much how I saw it. And I see a face too.
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Post by min on Apr 26, 2016 16:44:25 GMT
Back to Melisandre. With Davos wanting her help, I am wondering if someone will blunder in to her room while she is not glamoured. Wouldn't that be a shock. I'm also contemplating if it is her lifeforce that is in the ruby. Kinda like a direwolf or a weirwood, but the ruby is holding the spirit to the original body. Or like the Faceless where the appearance of the original owner of the face is used, and the memories are kept in tact. "Melanie, lot seven." Hello. Given the bathtub scene where she appears as her younger self in Selyse's company; could it be that she alone sees her true self in the mirror while others will still see her as a young woman. In the Melisandre Chapter; to break Mance's glamor; she speaks a word that echoes around the corners of the room; twisting like a worm in the ear; while Jon hears one word and Mance hears another; neither of which is the word that Mel spoke. She also criticizes Mance for not wearing his rattleshirt saying that he weakens the glamor that people see what they expect to see; that glamors are woven light and suggestion. Also, I don't think her ruby is a ruby. When she breaks Mance's glamor; his ruby goes dark. Maybe the ruby is obsidion and she is using the fire magic contained in the stone. I associate the ruby at he throat with her "drinking down" the fire. I think it's her connection to the cup of fire, the source of her own magic. "Melanie, lot seven." is a part of a dream that she has when she dozes off momentarily while keeping her watch in front of the fire. It's interesting that the faceless men also employ a form of glamor and that Arya is given this explanation as well. The big difference is that they have access to some of the deceased memories as demonstrated by Arya. I wonder how deep those memories go for someone like the Alchemist; who is well beyond acolyte status; who takes Pates face and clothes. Does he know everything Pate knows about the Citadel and it inhabitants? The idea that Mel's ruby could contain her soul or spirit is also interesting. I think this could be a theme when it comes to swords and horns and direwolves as well. But this being the show; none of the previous stuff matters. Yes, it would be a shock. .... bloody rorschach.... I see butterflies.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 26, 2016 17:04:33 GMT
It's similar to my thoughts about them holing up with Jon's dead body. They aren't necessarily "guarding" the body, but rather trying to organize to protect from an attack. Any of Jon's friends would feel threatened now. Yep, that's how I read the scene too. They're not guarding his body, they're grouped together because they know they're likely next on the list. Edd says quite clearly, 'If you were planning to see tomorrow, you picked the wrong room.' Even Throne extends his amnesty to Davos only. Throne knows the rest of them are in there with Davos, so it's quite clear they're being threatened. .... bloody rorschach.... I see butterflies.
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