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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:46:56 GMT
Looks like an ordinary sword. Maybe they're not going to make a big fuss over the sword? Yeah, I'm thinking they're not. It seems to me that they all must be fighting with Valyrian steel because not one sword broke against another, like what happens with Brienne. If Arthur's swords didn't break against Ice, then they must both be Valyrian steel as well. No? Also, I can't remember if we met Edric Dayne in the show. Did we? Because if we didn't meet him, then most likely they won't make a Dawn a significant sword in the show, just a family sword, like Ice. It would be good, though, if they show Ned returning Dawn (and Dusk maybe? for the other sword?) to Starfall. It would show a vivid contrast to what Tywin did to Ice, and make Ned's returning the sword(s) an atonement and honourable act at the same time.
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 18:47:15 GMT
Just as matter of interest... Dawn. I think so. A slight difference below the guard but the pommel and blade are very similar. Dawn from World of Ice and Fire: Dawn Sword WoIaF
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:50:21 GMT
Interesting. Arthur has a second sword scabbarded on his right side.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:53:58 GMT
I think so. A slight difference below the guard but the pommel and blade are very similar. Yes, the size is a bit off too, but the shape and the large, single fuller in the centre are the same.
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 18:56:01 GMT
Nice! lol, but I thought the opposing sword was Ice?
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 19:03:00 GMT
I think so. A slight difference below the guard but the pommel and blade are very similar. Yes, the size is a bit off too, but the shape and the large, single fuller in the centre are the same. It's supposed to be a greatsword. Ned's doesn't have Ice with him at ToJ.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 19:04:44 GMT
Nice! lol, but I thought the opposing sword was Ice? Ha! No, I was referring to Arthur's second sword. He'd be battling Ice with Dawn and Dusk.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 19:10:51 GMT
It's supposed to be a greatsword. Ned's doesn't have Ice with him at ToJ. it's the same sword he carries regularly. I don't know if it's meant to be Ice or a sword for weekdays.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 9, 2016 19:17:35 GMT
I watched the toj scene on youtube, and here is what I think happened. I don't think Howland took part in the fight at all until the very end when he stabbed Arthur in the Neck (heh). No, Howland gets slashed in the chest by Arthur at the very beginning of the fight. He goes down holding his ripped open armour. There's a really quick look at him down on the ground while the fighting continues above him in that shot. My guess is during the majority of the fight Howland may have gone into the tower (even though that doesn't look much like a tower, and good luck having Howland and Eddard taking that down by themselves) to check to see what was inside the tower. Perhaps this is why he came at Arthur as hard as he did. I was thinking something along those lines. Howland would've had a good reason to stab Arthur in the back of the throat. Either that, or he just couldn't see his lord killed after all they'd been through and in desperation did a dishonourable thing for justifiable reasons. But where the hell did he go afterwards? Last we see him, he witnesses Ned give Arthur the coup de grace (with Dawn), and then, blip, he's gone. Did he go into the tower (heh, yeah, knock that one down between yas boys) before Ned?
Ah, you're right, everyone looks kind of alike during the fighting, but I see it now. Perhaps he did go into the tower first, to check on Lyanna (or his children). It is interesting that Eddard is right at the tower, yet he still asks Arthur the whereabouts of his sister.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 9, 2016 19:19:28 GMT
Yes, the size is a bit off too, but the shape and the large, single fuller in the centre are the same. It's supposed to be a greatsword. Ned's doesn't have Ice with him at ToJ. That picture is so phallic, it's hysterical.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 9, 2016 19:21:06 GMT
I watched the toj scene on youtube, and here is what I think happened. I don't think Howland took part in the fight at all until the very end when he stabbed Arthur in the Neck (heh). This is why it looked like only six northmen were in the fight. My guess is during the majority of the fight Howland may have gone into the tower (even though that doesn't look much like a tower, and good luck having Howland and Eddard taking that down by themselves) to check to see what was inside the tower. Perhaps this is why he came at Arthur as hard as he did. My personal theory is that they were planning on sacrificing a number of children inside. Interesting. That would certainly upset Bran and I wonder if he saw something similar in his crow vision at the heart of winter, causing him to cry uncontrollably. The terrible knowledge of something. Can you spill a little more on your theory. What children? I think it's Jon, Meera, and Aegon.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 19:23:53 GMT
yet he still asks Arthur the whereabouts of his sister. The one thing Brandon, Rickard, Robert nor Ned ever ask in the book.
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 20:11:47 GMT
Interesting. That would certainly upset Bran and I wonder if he saw something similar in his crow vision at the heart of winter, causing him to cry uncontrollably. The terrible knowledge of something. Can you spill a little more on your theory. What children? I think it's Jon, Meera, and Aegon. Ok I think I know where you are going with it.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 20:25:36 GMT
Just watched the fight scene again. A woman screams twice - once right after Ned slices Arthur's throat, and again as he is walking up the stairs (before Bran calls to him). Both screams sound pretty agonized and tormented, like a woman being tortured. Obviously childbirth could bring on that time of cry, but 7 lb 6 oz newborn infant Jon coming into the world at exactly that time doesn't really mesh well with the BOOK canon of Lyanna dying of a fever and being too weak to speak above a whisper, much less produce loud shrieks. I mean, I guess the show could go that route, but it would be so predictable and lame and cliche.
A few options here: 1) It's a woman giving birth, but it's not Lyanna 2) It's Lyanna, but she isn't giving birth 3) It's Lyanna giving birth, because Showbadger don't give a shit
Also, it's interesting that Gerold Hightower isn't in the picture...which makes me wonder if perhaps the famous 3rd KG is going to be portrayed in the show as inside the tower, watching from above and waiting on the outcome of the fight to do whatever it is that's causing the woman to scream?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 20:33:05 GMT
The show does linger on the sword being honed, before Ned et al arrive. Basic maintenance, or getting ready for something else?
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