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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 30, 2016 0:58:05 GMT
From Balticon - transcripts are still in progress from multiple attendees, but Ran posted the link below at W that compiles a lot. The ForesakenOh. My. God. So many things.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 30, 2016 2:57:55 GMT
I read most of that. Seems like a lot of info in one chapter. Will the joke of the book being released chapter by chapter come true?
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Post by Melifeather on May 30, 2016 7:13:16 GMT
From Balticon - transcripts are still in progress from multiple attendees, but Ran posted the link below at W that compiles a lot. The ForesakenOh. My. God. So many things. Will this be a titled chapter then? Very dark.
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Post by Melifeather on May 30, 2016 13:35:52 GMT
“Worms await you, Aeron.” And then it was not Urri, but Euron Bloodeye - sitting upon a throne of black skulls. Dwarfs attending him, bleeding star, the world will broken and remade. A horn blew and summoned dragons and krakens and sphinxes. “I am your king, I am your god.”
Euron on Iron throne, changed into a kraken-like figure with tentacles. Accompanied by a long, tall terrible woman, shadowed, with hands of white fire, standing next to him..."
The wheel of time is rolling in reverse and Euron is replaying the inversion to Bloodraven. It's very telling that they are now calling Euron "Bloodeye" whereas before it was "Crow's Eye". When he was called Crow's Eye he was the inversion of Brynden Rivers, but now that he's Bloodeye he's the inversion of Bloodraven in the cave.
The throne of black skulls is the inversion to the white bones and skulls that litter the Children's cave. The Dwarves attending him are the inversion of the Children.
The bleeding star is the comet that indicates that the wheel of time is at the starting point of a new cycle, but because it's running in reverse the world will be remade with Greyjoys reliving the Targaryen's past. We will witness the Greyjoys doing similar things to when Aegon the Conqueror brought dragons to Westeros, but it will be mirrored with the opposite result.
Describing Euron as a kraken-like figure with tentacles is a symbolic description of Bloodraven's influence over Westeros. From his weirwood throne the root system has allowed him to go wherever the roots go like tentacles underground.
The remaining mystery in this passage is the long, tall terrible woman, shadowed, with hands of white fire standing next to him. I'll have to contemplate that one to try and figure out who she is...if she's actually a woman. It may be that she symbolizes magic...or the opposite of R'hllor...or the inversion to the godhead. Yeah, I kinda like that last idea, but that implies that the godhead is male...which fits with something I read elsewhere about the Children seeming to be only female. Who said that?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 30, 2016 13:48:58 GMT
the world will broken and remade ^ Right there, bravo!
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Post by Melifeather on May 30, 2016 14:01:17 GMT
the world will broken and remade ^ Right there, bravo! I'd like to take credit for that particular phrase, but that's a quote from the transcript. It is exactly what is happening though. By going in reverse the wheel is breaking and undoing everything that the various conquers have done to Westeros. The mummer's version is building Dany up as Aegon reborn, but that is not how GRRM will write it. Dany is the origin of dragons, and Euron is Aegon the Conqueror, only he'll have opposite results.
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Post by Melifeather on May 30, 2016 14:14:43 GMT
One last thing I'm going to drop here so that I don't forget my train of thought...and then I'm going golfing this morning...
Damphair's memory of Euron and the squeaky hinge has been revealed to be sexual child abuse in the transcripts. Symbolically this is the inversion to what Bloodraven did, but how are we to interpret it? What it does suggest, at least to me, is that Bloodraven is connected to the unraveling and opening of the hinge...AH LIGHTBULB MOMENT! The raping of children is symbolic of what Bloodraven did to BRAN! OMG!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 30, 2016 14:48:39 GMT
I'd like to take credit for that particular phrase, but that's a quote from the transcript. It is exactly what is happening though. By going in reverse the wheel is breaking and undoing everything that the various conquers have done to Westeros. The mummer's version is building Dany up as Aegon reborn, but that is not how GRRM will write it. Dany is the origin of dragons, and Euron is Aegon the Conqueror, only he'll have opposite results. yes, I was quoting canon via your post. And yes, time going in reverse, that hit home for me when MMD's "sun rising in the west" is examined more literally.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 31, 2016 1:22:45 GMT
Quite a ride! Loved it.
"This is not my place. I do not belong here." Rings a bell, eh?
The scarlet silk cloak gave me a definite Mance vibe.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 31, 2016 1:31:14 GMT
Euron Crow’s Eye stood upon the deck of Silence clad in a suit of black-scaled armor like nothing Aeron had ever seen before. Dark as smoke it was, but Euron wore it as easy as if it was the thinnest silk. The scales were edged in red gold that gleamed and shimmered when he moved. Patterns could be seen within the metal. Whorls and glyphs and arcane symbols molded into steel. Valyrian steel, the Damphair knew. His armor is Valyrian steel. In all the Seven Kingdoms, no man owned a suit of Valyrian steel. Such things had been known four hundred years ago, in the days before the Doom, and even then they would have cost a kingdom. Sooo...anyone remember my Marvel Black Armor thread? Why do I have the feeling that this runic armor is what Rhaegar Targaryen thought he was wearing?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 31, 2016 1:52:51 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on May 31, 2016 2:01:16 GMT
The whole chapter was a wonderous nightmare fever dream! Spectacular!
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 31, 2016 2:01:41 GMT
That black armor. Quite intriguing. On the whole this chapter seems unfinished although the major points are there. I especially liked the vision of the ships burning in the sea. Not see, but sea.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 31, 2016 2:52:40 GMT
"This is not my place. I do not belong here." Rings a bell, eh? It does, but I can't place it.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 31, 2016 2:55:02 GMT
"This is not my place. I do not belong here." Rings a bell, eh? It does, but I can't place it. Jon's crypt dreams - the Kings of Winter.
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