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Post by min on Jul 15, 2016 0:49:32 GMT
Interesting. I wouldn't put it past Euron to have the means to raise powers ancient and terrible, transforming himself in some way. I thought your interpretation on the dwarfs capering around Euron very interesting! The rat servitors from the House of Undying makes a lot of sense. Recall that in one of Dany's visions; she sees a woman surrounded by four rat servitors. One of them is chewing her nipple bloody, something that is echoed in one of her valonqar dreams. She's probably as mad as Euron at this point and just as depraved. Would she make a good (Casterly)Rock wife? Euron would promise her anything.
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Post by min on Jul 15, 2016 15:51:45 GMT
If Euron is recreating MMD's ritual and it seems probable that he's been to Asshai; who's to say that he doesn't have any of his own dragon eggs and dragon horns to go along with that suit of armor. We're given to think that Victarion will steal the dragons; but Victarion isn't the brightest bulb and with Bennero along for the ride; who knows how that will turn out.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 15, 2016 15:51:56 GMT
Thank you min for refreshing this thread! I was thinking on pregnant Fallys and it struck me that Euron plans to recreate the blood magic ritual. He needs a priest and a woman about to deliver. He wants to conjure the great wolf and fire spirits. Mirri's tent ritual brought forth the spirits of wolf and flame. She sacrificed Drogo's stallion and Dany lost Rhaego. The end result was a half baked resurrection, but I think it also set the stage for Dany when she setup Drogo's funeral pyre and hatched dragons. The two magical rites may need to be performed sequentially. Some of us on Hobaw suspect that similar rites happened at the tower of joy with Ashara about to deliver. Summerhal, on the other hand had some type of fire that killed Aegon, Ser Duncan, and Jenny of Oldstones. Somehow Rhaella escaped harm, as did her newborn son Rhaegar. I don't think we know if Jenny of Oldstones was killed at Summerhall.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 15, 2016 16:10:40 GMT
Thank you min for refreshing this thread! I was thinking on pregnant Fallys and it struck me that Euron plans to recreate the blood magic ritual. He needs a priest and a woman about to deliver. He wants to conjure the great wolf and fire spirits. Mirri's tent ritual brought forth the spirits of wolf and flame. She sacrificed Drogo's stallion and Dany lost Rhaego. The end result was a half baked resurrection, but I think it also set the stage for Dany when she setup Drogo's funeral pyre and hatched dragons. The two magical rites may need to be performed sequentially. Some of us on Hobaw suspect that similar rites happened at the tower of joy with Ashara about to deliver. Summerhal, on the other hand had some type of fire that killed Aegon, Ser Duncan, and Jenny of Oldstones. Somehow Rhaella escaped harm, as did her newborn son Rhaegar. I don't think we know if Jenny of Oldstones was killed at Summerhall. Oops! Was I assuming? Is there a list somewhere of who was killed in the fire?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 15, 2016 16:19:40 GMT
I don't think we know if Jenny of Oldstones was killed at Summerhall. Oops! Was I assuming? Is there a list somewhere of who was killed in the fire? As far as I know, the only three confirmed dead were Aegon V, Duncan the Tall, and Duncan the Small. The only reason that I bring it up, is that a big part of my Howland as Jon Snow's father theory is that a pregnant Jenny of Oldstones survived Summerhall.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 15, 2016 16:25:00 GMT
Oops! Was I assuming? Is there a list somewhere of who was killed in the fire? As far as I know, the only three confirmed dead were Aegon V, Duncan the Tall, and Duncan the Small. The only reason that I bring it up, is that a big part of my Howland as Jon Snow's father theory is that a pregnant Jenny of Oldstones survived Summerhall. Who did she give birth to then? The child would be the same age as Rhaegar.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 15, 2016 16:26:12 GMT
I wonder if the woman with the tall shadow and hands of white fire is Cersei. I've wondered that too. But I don't think it is because the shadow woman seems to imply she's something with power, either power of influence or power of deeds. While Cersei is powerful, she derives her power from her Lannister name and Barratheon ties. Take those away from her, as surely Euron would, and the only weapon she has is between her legs. And I doubt Euron would fall for that. He's already played one woman who thought she'd got him that way, and she's on the prow of his ship. On the other hand, if we look at her description, a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire, as symbolic then she becomes Lady Stoneheart. The hands of white fire would be descriptive of how Catelyn came to be LSH, through the fire of R'hollor, not to mention her description of hooded, shadowed and terrible. LSH is powerful in her own right, with or without the help of the BwB. She can not be dissuaded, she's got a mission -- revenge, if they don't help her, she'll do it herself, just as Catelyn took Tyrion and how she protected Bran. And she is magical in her creation, something Euron is fascinated with. I can see him allying with LSH, who has no alliances with anyone anymore, much easier than I can his taking Cersei as his mate, which the description implies.
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Post by min on Jul 15, 2016 17:01:01 GMT
I wonder if the woman with the tall shadow and hands of white fire is Cersei. I've wondered that too. But I don't think it is because the shadow woman seems to imply she's something with power, either power of influence or power of deeds. While Cersei is powerful, she derives her power from her Lannister name and Barratheon ties. Take those away from her, as surely Euron would, and the only weapon she has is between her legs. And I doubt Euron would fall for that. He's already played one woman who thought she'd got him that way, and she's on the prow of his ship. On the other hand, if we look at her description, a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire, as symbolic then she becomes Lady Stoneheart. The hands of white fire would be descriptive of how Catelyn came to be LSH, through the fire of R'hollor, not to mention her description of hooded, shadowed and terrible. LSH is powerful in her own right, with or without the help of the BwB. She can not be dissuaded, she's got a mission -- revenge, if they don't help her, she'll do it herself, just as Catelyn took Tyrion and how she protected Bran. And she is magical in her creation, something Euron is fascinated with. I can see him allying with LSH, who has no alliances with anyone anymore, much easier than I can his taking Cersei as his mate, which the description implies. Oh my god! That would be a suitably terrible matchup. Wow, exacting revenge through Euron. Can you imagine if he got his hands on Qyburn and UnGregor? All the monsters in one place. lol
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 15, 2016 17:20:17 GMT
Oh my god! That would be a suitably terrible matchup. Wow, exacting revenge through Euron. Can you imagine if he got his hands on Qyburn and UnGregor? All the monsters in one place. lol I would imagine he would get in with Qyburn. This whole idea of taking priests and warlocks, all men to do with magic and religion, as captives is telling. He's using them both as pawns in whatever it is he's attempting and as sacrilegious symbols of his own divinity. Euron claims he is the Storm, saying in essence he is greater than the Gods. Qyburn is interested in that same kind of power, finding the link between life and death, a power only attributable to the Gods. Qyburn succeeds. Of course Euron would exploit that kind of power and flaunt it. If Aeron's drug induced dreams are prophetic in any way (which is as doubtful as Dany's visions in the HotU) then what he's seeing is Euron succeeding in becoming godlike. And as an aside the Drowned God and the Storm God are each other's biggest nemesis, so again telling that Euron is keeping Aeron alive while all the others are dying. Why keep your biggest threat alive?
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 15, 2016 18:12:43 GMT
If the gods of ice and fire are opposites, then shouldn't the wolf be female? Wouldn't it align with the story of the Nights King and how he saw the pale Other and took her to wife?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 15, 2016 19:06:10 GMT
If the gods of ice and fire are opposites, then shouldn't the wolf be female? Wouldn't it align with the story of the Nights King and how he saw the pale Other and took her to wife? Sorry, you lost me. Why would a the Night's Queen be a wolf?
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 15, 2016 19:26:40 GMT
If the gods of ice and fire are opposites, then shouldn't the wolf be female? Wouldn't it align with the story of the Nights King and how he saw the pale Other and took her to wife? Sorry, you lost me. Why would a the Night's Queen be a wolf? I was referring to the shadow of a wolf that was seen in Mirri's tent.
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