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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 20, 2016 18:30:06 GMT
I posted it here, the first pic is when Jon approached Ramsay, the second is from inside the hall at Bear Island to show you the shield GoT uses for the Mormonts. It's def a Mormont shield, Jon holds it sideways. The thing I love about it - if it was intentional - is that it buys into our discussions that the Mormonts were up to something back in the day. They were shielding/protecting someone. tagging Some Pig No Doubt Dany is the one with the memories of the carved log beams, so what would be the theory to place Jon there? As Jon's father? It could be a reason for why Jeor went to the Wall I suppose, but Jon is supposed to have more of the north in him and the Mormonts are Andals. Do you think the show deliberately chose the shield or are we supposed to imagine that it was brought there by someone strictly by chance, as in grabbed randomly from the battlefield? It could be symbolic of shielding Jon himself - if Jon were not actually born in the south, or shielding someone else - Dany is a great crackpot candidate, especially if we consider RLD. Aren't the Mormonts First Men? I thought calling him an Andal was a Dothraki misnomer, though I suspect it might have more meaning behind it. Sure, could be totally random, or to drive home that the Mormonts lost men out of their scarce 62 fighters. But if it does symbolize something more, I'd be psyched
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 20, 2016 18:47:42 GMT
Dany is the one with the memories of the carved log beams, so what would be the theory to place Jon there? As Jon's father? It could be a reason for why Jeor went to the Wall I suppose, but Jon is supposed to have more of the north in him and the Mormonts are Andals. Do you think the show deliberately chose the shield or are we supposed to imagine that it was brought there by someone strictly by chance, as in grabbed randomly from the battlefield? It could be symbolic of shielding Jon himself - if Jon were not actually born in the south, or shielding someone else - Dany is a great crackpot candidate, especially if we consider RLD. Aren't the Mormonts First Men? I thought calling him an Andal was a Dothraki misnomer, though I suspect it might have more meaning behind it. Sure, could be totally random, or to drive home that the Mormonts lost men out of their scarce 62 fighters. But if it does symbolize something more, I'd be psyched You are right in that very little is known about the Mormonts. They are a bannerman to House Stark, and the only thing confirmed about their House is that Bear Island was handed over to them from King in the North Rodrik Stark who was said to have won it in a wrestling match. Identifying the Mormonts as Andals does come from the Dothraki.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 20, 2016 21:26:13 GMT
LMAO, I just realised Jon is so covered in blood he's as red as a Lannister!
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Post by cooterian15 on Jun 20, 2016 21:36:43 GMT
I guess Rickon never got to watch the movie Apocalypto. Otherwise he would have known when you are running in an open field and they are loosing spears and arrows at your head you don't run in a straight line. You zig zag like Jaquar Paw did in the movie. So a serious question.....anyone else surprised at how quickly and easily handed Dany and her dragons made mince meat of the Master's Ships? It sort of reminded me of Aegon and Balerion taking to the sky and then streaking back down and incinerating Harrenhall in one pass. Of course the Dothraki hoard showing up to lob off Harpy heads was also very effective. As for next week: I hope the last episode does the working title justice (Winds of Winter) and the walls come tumbling down.
It may be a bit too early to have the wall fall down given that Dany is only about one to two weeks away from Westeros....if you factor that's how quick Yara and Theon high tailed it to Mereen.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 20, 2016 21:43:49 GMT
anyone else surprised at how quickly and easily handed Dany and her dragons made mince meat of the Master's Ships? And how easily Rhaegal and Viserion smashed out of the stone dungeon walls, after being incarcerated there for.. years? And how they suddenly obey Dany/alpha Drogon.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 20, 2016 21:49:03 GMT
And how easily Rhaegal and Viserion smashed out of the stone dungeon walls, after being incarcerated there for.. years? And how they suddenly obey Dany/alpha Drogon. Well, they were chained before Tyrion let them loose. Not that a chain would restrict them more than a solid block wall.
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Post by ac on Jun 20, 2016 21:54:51 GMT
And how easily Rhaegal and Viserion smashed out of the stone dungeon walls, after being incarcerated there for.. years? And how they suddenly obey Dany/alpha Drogon. Well, they were chained before Tyrion let them loose. Not that a chain would restrict them more than a solid block wall. I assumed that someone must have blown out or weakened the wall for them to get out. I wouldn't be volunteering to walk them back up the stairs! In reality I think that this is probably related to what Melifeather said about money saving. There were a few effects / scenes that looked a bit budget to me!
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Post by ac on Jun 20, 2016 21:58:27 GMT
I guess Rickon never got to watch the movie Apocalypto. Otherwise he would have known when you are running in an open field and they are loosing spears and arrows at your head you don't run in a straight line. You zig zag like Jaquar Paw did in the movie. This irritated the hell out me. I know it wouldn't have allowed for the final Sansa scene to play out exactly as it did but he could have set his dogs on him and it would have given the same effect but more realistically.
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Post by ac on Jun 20, 2016 22:03:17 GMT
Overall I thought the episode was OK from an action perspective but once again didn't move the story forward a great deal. The more this season has progressed the more I feel like D&D are just hoping to stall until the next book comes out so they can go back to using that for inspiration. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and the story takes a quantum leap forward next week!
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jun 20, 2016 22:03:28 GMT
I guess Rickon never got to watch the movie Apocalypto. Otherwise he would have known when you are running in an open field and they are loosing spears and arrows at your head you don't run in a straight line. You zig zag like Jaquar Paw did in the movie. So a serious question.....anyone else surprised at how quickly and easily handed Dany and her dragons made mince meat of the Master's Ships? It sort of reminded me of Aegon and Balerion taking to the sky and then streaking back down and incinerating Harrenhall in one pass. Of course the Dothraki hoard showing up to lob off Harpy heads was also very effective. As for next week: I hope the last episode does the working title justice (Winds of Winter) and the walls come tumbling down.
It may be a bit too early to have the wall fall down given that Dany is only about one to two weeks away from Westeros....if you factor that's how quick Yara and Theon high tailed it to Mereen. Or the movie In-laws with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jun 20, 2016 22:05:00 GMT
anyone else surprised at how quickly and easily handed Dany and her dragons made mince meat of the Master's Ships? And how easily Rhaegal and Viserion smashed out of the stone dungeon walls, after being incarcerated there for.. years? And how they suddenly obey Dany/alpha Drogon. Maybe they had been slowly chiseling away like the guy from Shawshank.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 20, 2016 22:14:32 GMT
And how easily Rhaegal and Viserion smashed out of the stone dungeon walls, after being incarcerated there for.. years? And how they suddenly obey Dany/alpha Drogon. Maybe they had been slowly chiseling away like the guy from Shawshank.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 20, 2016 22:16:55 GMT
Overall I thought the episode was OK from an action perspective but once again didn't move the story forward a great deal. The more this season has progressed the more I feel like D&D are just hoping to stall until the next book comes out so they can go back to using that for inspiration. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and the story takes a quantum leap forward next week! Totally agree. A lot of the action felt like stalling with no real result. Arya getting shanked, for instance. Still not sure what the point of Jon's resurrection was (to the show writers).
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 20, 2016 22:34:25 GMT
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 20, 2016 23:47:43 GMT
The more this season has progressed the more I feel like D&D are just hoping to stall until the next book comes out so they can go back to using that for inspiration. Exactly. There's no doubt in my mind that when this season/perhaps the series in general is finally over and done, there will be a D&D interview that goes into "Well, this was the first season that we were truly "off page", and since GRRM basically handed us some scribbled bullet points on a cocktail napkin with a really pissy attitude when we asked him how the story would unfold, this is what we chose to do. We gave it our best attempt but we just aren't George RR Martin." I mean, yes, they have done a real hatchet job here, but I KNOW that when they bought the rights to this story, they didn't expect George to sit on his duff for the next 6 years and produce everything except a book. And I also have zero doubt that when they met up last year in Santa Fe to discuss the endgame with him, GRRM gave them some Cliff Notes and answered all their requests for detail with "Iono, I haven't written that part yet, you guys figure it out"...as though it's D&D's fault for having the temerity to stick to a production schedule and catch up to the novels. I am irritated with HBO for mangling such a good story, but I'm far more irritated with George for putting them in the position to do that in the first place. HE is the writer, not them.
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