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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jun 25, 2016 22:05:26 GMT
And you know what? I was thinking about this, and how really, if you think hard about it, RLJ is really the only thing D&D can do/could have done for TV. Given the crackpot parentage that's been clogging up my brain for the past bit, *if* it turns out even remotely how I think/hope it will, there is no way this backstory could translate to screen. It's just too complex. A crown prince and a daughter of a northern lord, though? Oh, that's totally doable for average braindead viewers. So if they DO cover it somewhere in 14 episodes, I will still have the hope that they took the easy made-for-television road and George will lead us through the treacherous, difficult path in the books. I have to agree here....Its seems like the only thing they could do given the on the nose set up they made in season 4 and 5 1.Oberyn saying that Rhaegar "ran away" with another woman (The other woman in general i think is Ashara). 2. Aemon's statement that a Targaryean in the wold is a terrible thing and Jon shows up as soon as he said that. 3. The crypt scene and Finger's look when Sansa says Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her. There was nothing subtle about that.just as there was nothing subtle about it in the books.It also goes to show as soon as as you say "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna,had her in a tower called joy in Dorne where she died under sketchy circumstanes .He then returns from said region with a baby boys he claims is his bastard. Seriously,what is the lazy conclusion to arrive at?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 26, 2016 1:01:49 GMT
There was nothing subtle about that.just as there was nothing subtle about it in the books.It also goes to show as soon as as you say "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna,had her in a tower called joy in Dorne where she died under sketchy circumstanes .He then returns from said region with a baby boys he claims is his bastard. Seriously,what is the lazy conclusion to arrive at? Exactly! It's a lazy conclusion for lazy viewers who think that Dany's name is "Khaleesi" and that she and Jon are going to get married and co-rule happily ever after. Most Unsullied show watchers barely remember who Rhaegar and Lyanna even are, and would never be able to piece together some crazy detailed backstory involving people that were never even mentioned on the show. Like, Ashara Dayne - she is going to be huge in the books but the show never even mentioned her name. There's no way HBO can do anything but RLJ or Ned + Cersei or something with characters people already know. And I agree, I think in the end bookwise it will be Rhaegar + Ashara = Dany if anything, and Jon will turn out to be a Blackfyre. A real one.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jun 26, 2016 7:25:38 GMT
There was nothing subtle about that.just as there was nothing subtle about it in the books.It also goes to show as soon as as you say "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna,had her in a tower called joy in Dorne where she died under sketchy circumstanes .He then returns from said region with a baby boys he claims is his bastard. Seriously,what is the lazy conclusion to arrive at? Exactly! It's a lazy conclusion for lazy viewers who think that Dany's name is "Khaleesi" and that she and Jon are going to get married and co-rule happily ever after. Most Unsullied show watchers barely remember who Rhaegar and Lyanna even are, and would never be able to piece together some crazy detailed backstory involving people that were never even mentioned on the show. Like, Ashara Dayne - she is going to be huge in the books but the show never even mentioned her name. There's no way HBO can do anything but RLJ or Ned + Cersei or something with characters people already know. And I agree, I think in the end bookwise it will be Rhaegar + Ashara = Dany if anything, and Jon will turn out to be a Blackfyre. A real one. Yep,i've come to believe that while some aspects of Grrm's series is adaptable,a larger part that relies heavily on subtly cannot be adapted to film.It just can't.I've opted to tell friends please read the books. Jon maybe a blackfyre which would be awesome but i'm thinkng he's going to turn out a Stag.I did happen to see the Frikadoctor video and ... there's no RLJ confirmation.It's very ambiguous from what he said Lyanna's role there,when it is shown tommorrow you'll see what i mean.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jun 26, 2016 9:38:53 GMT
The saving grace in the big "Lyanna is Jon's mother" reveal is that there is still no confirmation of Rhaegar as the father, no matter how D&D want to play it. But unfortunately there are only 14 episodes left of the entire series. I remember saying this a few times too, that I wouldn't be surprised if the RLJ trolldom came crashing down in the last paragraph of ASoS. Where did you see that they have 14 episodes left? I thought there were only 7 episodes left (after tomorrow night), which would cover Season 7. Are they planning on a Season 8, with 7 more episodes? variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-end-date-season-8-1201752746/
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 26, 2016 10:59:53 GMT
The saving grace in the big "Lyanna is Jon's mother" reveal is that there is still no confirmation of Rhaegar as the father, no matter how D&D want to play it. But unfortunately there are only 14 episodes left of the entire series. I remember saying this a few times too, that I wouldn't be surprised if the RLJ trolldom came crashing down in the last paragraph of ASoS. Where did you see that they have 14 episodes left? I thought there were only 7 episodes left (after tomorrow night), which would cover Season 7. Are they planning on a Season 8, with 7 more episodes? Ninja's by Maester Flagons
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 26, 2016 11:00:36 GMT
2. Aemon's statement that a Targaryean in the wold is a terrible thing and Jon shows up as soon as he said that. ...while Aemon was talking to Sam.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 26, 2016 14:24:56 GMT
I did happen to see the Frikadoctor video and ... Yeah, I saw the Reddit spoilers about the same thing, which makes perfect sense given the famous question that D&D answered about who Jon Snow's MOTHER is. IMO it would be the best fandom troll ever if D&D never did the father reveal at all.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 26, 2016 15:38:29 GMT
Well I'm psyched! Not sure what to expect tonight, but I don't expect some of the more frustrating loose ends to be tied up with a bow.
One thing I haven't mentioned here before: Cersei, not once, raged against Dorne/The Sand Snakes. Trystan and Doran dead, no one talking about it. And the premature (compared to the books) death of Myrcella leaves a huge plot hole. There is no way Cersei would think sending Jaime to Riverrun was more important than avenging Myrcella.
Every time they screw with the timing, stuff like this happens. Does Jon know about Arya? Does Sansa know about Bran? Things like that, drives me crazy.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 26, 2016 16:32:37 GMT
Not to go too far off topic, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that right now I'm leaning towards Lyanna not being anybody's mother. Jon's parents are likely Ned and Wylla Manderly's, just as Ned said. Lyanna died of an infected sword injury. If the show revisits the tower of joy, which would make for a great cliffhanger by the way, would be to show Ashara giving birth, and then sacrificing herself to resurrect Rhaegar.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 26, 2016 19:17:27 GMT
If anyone gets depressed about the finale/this season in general, just return to this page and read the following. I end up crying from laughter every time I see it. Older, but hilarious and spot on.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jun 26, 2016 19:58:34 GMT
This misstatement "and then to add salt on a womb"
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 26, 2016 22:32:09 GMT
Not to go too far off topic, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that right now I'm leaning towards Lyanna not being anybody's mother. Jon's parents are likely Ned and Wylla Manderly's, just as Ned said. Lyanna died of an infected sword injury. If the show revisits the tower of joy, which would make for a great cliffhanger by the way, would be to show Ashara giving birth, and then sacrificing herself to resurrect Rhaegar. At what point should I confess I joined Westeros to argue Jon=Aegon VI? I end up crying from laughter every time I see it. Older, but hilarious and spot on.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 27, 2016 2:18:54 GMT
Holy crap! I may have called the wildfire, but I never thought Tommen would commit suicide! Why is Jon so wimpy and uninspiring? Lyanna Mormont has to be the one to make all the Lords feel guilty. Double crap on showing Lyanna and baby Jon in the tower. Highlight of the whole show: Arya killing Walder Frey!
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 27, 2016 2:39:29 GMT
Oh, and apparently Varys can time travel. He was in Dorne long enough to say Fire and Blood before finding his way on a ship with Dany.
Did you notice how Littlefinger is in the north on the ice side, while Varys is with Dany on the fire side?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 2:59:48 GMT
Wow, that was one of the best finales yet. I've got a theory, the dynamic duo are killing off all the houses so that by the time Dany gets to Westeros she'll have to marry Jon, no by choice, but for lack of options. Good call on the wildfire Mel! I had a feeling they were going to kill off Tommen, only because he was left all alone to witness his wife, the entire small council, the Faith and all those innocent people killed. I don't think it was grief though, or at least not grief alone, because in his position he'd have to kill his own mother for what she did. Cersei fucked him over. How could he be the king when he can't even control the queen mother? The fact she was not there with him while all this was happening I think speaks quite plainly to the fact she was still angry with him for taking away her only chance to clear her name. Arya's taking out the Freys and Frey Pie! Though I wonder what would've happened if she'd caught Jaime's eye? Maybe this is why they've kept Jaime all 'I love Cersei' so that she didn't get the opportunity to kill him. Oh and I pegged her right away. Why else would they be highlighted a serving girl but for Arya? Lucky for Bronn too. I'm not even going to touch on the ToJ scene and the immediate cut from baby to Jon. Or Lyanna's extra dialogue. But I will say that Jon sending Melisandre away was probably a mistake at this point in the game. Yes she murdered an innocent child and I'll burn my book if she burns Shireen, but with Winter finally arriving, they will need her there to help with her magic tricks. Plus I'm not at all convinced about them all declaring for Jon. That came out of the blue, and I'm not sure I like it. And FFS if you're going to call him the White Wolf, why not have said bloody wolf in audience?!
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