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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 30, 2016 9:40:47 GMT
Have at it!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 30, 2016 18:08:35 GMT
First and foremost question: Why? Why would they do this right on the heels of noncommittal, open-to-interpretation, leaves-wiggle-room abstract ending to this arc for the season? The whole point of the muffled audio during that scene was not to give too much away and generate conversation/anticipation for the next season, right? So WTF is this diagram?
I'm just....lost.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 30, 2016 18:40:30 GMT
I just posted this over on the ep 10 thread, but I think it belongs here too. Specifically because one of the D's (shorty I think) says they purposely made Lyanna's whispers inaudible. Well done HBO. Bet Cogman came up with this brilliant idea. as. usual.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 30, 2016 18:45:38 GMT
Where are Tyrion and Cersei in all this garbage? Having a pint?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 30, 2016 19:16:38 GMT
Where are Tyrion and Cersei in all this garbage? Having a pint? Right? I guess dwarves and Mad Queens don't matter. Odd considering how much D&D love them.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jul 6, 2016 2:33:36 GMT
Why all the characters in the first place? If the idea is to point to Jon's parents, then no need for all the extras. Notice that there is one female and two females for Jon's paternity possibilities. It's either Lyanna and Rhaegar or Lyanna and Ned? Mwahahaha.
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Post by jnr on Jul 11, 2016 15:48:41 GMT
First and foremost question: Why? Why would they do this right on the heels of noncommittal, open-to-interpretation, leaves-wiggle-room abstract ending to this arc for the season? The whole point of the muffled audio during that scene was not to give too much away and generate conversation/anticipation for the next season, right? So WTF is this diagram? I'm just....lost. I wonder if there's even much coordination between whichever HBO person is responsible for the page, D&D, and GRRM. It's conceivable to me that the HBO person simply saw RLJ as a factual thing, having watched the episode and leaped to conclusions like so many of the fans and show reviews online. Ergo, sat down and turned out the graphic... as opposed to being asked to do so by somebody in charge. This would resemble the way HBO previously "spoiled" the identity of the Night's King. My recollection is that HBO published that name for the cheesy horned demon type on their site... then the name was pulled... then it was reinstated. Not much coordination there, obviously. (Nor any apparent spoiler for the books, at least so far, in which the Popsicles don't even have a clear individual leader of any kind.) But even if you think there's coordination at work here, the surrounding text is a bit cough interesting: At that moment in GoT history? What does that mean? Wouldn't it have been true all along, ever since Jon was conceived? Wouldn't it continue to be true thereafter, at every subsequent point in GoT history? Why is this remark about moments in time necessary? Or: Is the idea that this is what the audience knows, at this point in time in the show's run on TV? Because if so, that would be just like the appendices in the books (which clearly state Jon is Ned's bastard), and the fapp (which said Jon's place of death is Castle Black and that Mel's place of origin is Asshai). GRRM's ASOIAF-related productions have been playing that little game since 1996.
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Post by min on Jul 11, 2016 17:23:39 GMT
I think the entire thing is bullcrap. When D&D say that they tried to get as much information out of GRRM as possible; other than broad strokes; I don't think they got anything that matters much after Season 4 and even less for Season 5 and 6. Basically they are flying by the seat of their pants and trying to please an audience. The only thing I know for sure is that the baby with the brown eyes is Jon Snow. Since when do newborns have brown eyes? Yes, we all know that Ned came home with Jon. So where is the newborn and the missing kingsguard? Something GRRM suggested perhaps? Would it really break the budget to add one more extra to that scene? Clearly D&D think RLJ is the answer and the answer they gave to GRRM when he asked that question. It makes me laugh. I can see him chuckling to himself; thinking... just go ahead and keep going in that direction.
I enjoyed the season for what it was as I didn't have any real expectations. But I'm not accepting this swill about RLJ.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 11, 2016 17:29:37 GMT
To see how they key players related to each other at that moment in GoT history , check out the infographic below. Sounds like a job for, Bran the Timelord! lol Do you think it'll turn out that Bran found it necessary to change something "at that moment in history"?
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Post by min on Jul 11, 2016 18:17:01 GMT
To see how they key players related to each other at that moment in GoT history , check out the infographic below. Sounds like a job for, Bran the Timelord! lol Do you think it'll turn out that Bran found it necessary to change something "at that moment in history"? How else do we explain Ned's fugue state? He's been Hodored.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 11, 2016 18:25:32 GMT
Yes. Ned's fever dream confuses even him. He thinks of it as an old dream, but he compares the dream to real life at least twice, which means something is off about it.
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Post by jnr on Jul 11, 2016 23:44:02 GMT
Clearly D&D think RLJ is the answer and the answer they gave to GRRM when he asked that question. It makes me laugh. I can see him chuckling to himself; thinking... just go ahead and keep going in that direction. I really have no idea what they're doing with Jon's parents, but with every new season it's clear to me that your larger point is spot on. D&D don't know much more than we do; they're making crap up as they go right and left; and quite often, when they do that, the result just sucks out loud. Consider: 1. Invulnerable Craster Baby, who can be taken hundreds of miles to the heart of winter with no food in subzero temps and yet survive; 2. Invulnerable Arya, who can be stabbed twice in the guts, never get medical attention, yet jump like Spider-Man and outduel a trained assassin; 3. Crush Dany, whose powerful crush on Varys inspires her to take a life-sized mannequin of him wherever she goes... which is how he seemed to be on the ship with her coming to Westeros, even though we saw him in Dorne earlier in the same episode; and 4. Show Popsicles, who make a thud when they jump down onto the ground, leave tracks in snow, don't give a damn about fire, shatter when stabbed with dragonglass, and apparently elected a B-movie villain from 1956 as their president. Thus, even Hodor and Lyanna don't seem out of the question for Show Jon's parents.
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Post by jnr on Jul 11, 2016 23:47:28 GMT
Sounds like a job for, Bran the Timelord! lol Do you think it'll turn out that Bran found it necessary to change something "at that moment in history"? This seems like a brilliant twist. I picture him sending his astral projection to Aerys' bed, and every time he's about to reach orgasm with Rhaella, Bran SCREAMS IN AERYS' EAR. This way, Rhaegar is never born and cannot sire Jon.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 12, 2016 0:14:09 GMT
Sounds like a job for, Bran the Timelord! lol Do you think it'll turn out that Bran found it necessary to change something "at that moment in history"? This seems like a brilliant twist. I picture him sending his astral projection to Aerys' bed, and every time he's about to reach orgasm with Rhaella, Bran SCREAMS IN AERYS' EAR. This way, Rhaegar is never born and cannot sire Jon. LMFAO
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Post by min on Jul 12, 2016 0:33:10 GMT
Clearly D&D think RLJ is the answer and the answer they gave to GRRM when he asked that question. It makes me laugh. I can see him chuckling to himself; thinking... just go ahead and keep going in that direction. I really have no idea what they're doing with Jon's parents, but with every new season it's clear to me that your larger point is spot on. D&D don't know much more than we do; they're making crap up as they go right and left; and quite often, when they do that, the result just sucks out loud. Consider: 1. Invulnerable Craster Baby, who can be taken hundreds of miles to the heart of winter with no food in subzero temps and yet survive; 2. Invulnerable Arya, who can be stabbed twice in the guts, never get medical attention, yet jump like Spider-Man and outduel a trained assassin; 3. Crush Dany, whose powerful crush on Varys inspires her to take a life-sized mannequin of him wherever she goes... which is how he seemed to be on the ship with her coming to Westeros, even though we saw him in Dorne earlier in the same episode; and 4. Show Popsicles, who make a thud when they jump down onto the ground, leave tracks in snow, don't give a damn about fire, shatter when stabbed with dragonglass, and apparently elected a B-movie villain from 1956 as their president. Thus, even Hodor and Lyanna don't seem out of the question for Show Jon's parents. LOL! Exactly. The whole business with the Arya stabbing had me confused and I thought for a brief time that the Waif and Arya had conjured glamors of each other. Because, you know when you finally become noone and give up your identity; do you give up your own face as well? Oh wait, I hear a sucking sound....
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