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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 10:26:47 GMT
I read this post, and then read WP's post about the pearl palanquin hive, so went back to my own post about the pearl palanquin with 100 queens. I got to the part about the pearl palanquin reminding me of a moon and surrounding stars, and then was like.....whoa. If a 'moon god' with star wives/servants ruled for 10,000 years before he went to join the stars themselves... Moonlight. Cool/cold. Eyes like blue stars. Could the citizens of the GEotD be the original Others? And if the reign of the GoE's descendants got shorter and shorter and the common people grew more and more corrupt with time, and then finally last of the moon line was destroyed by one who switched sides and joined league with Fire...? Absent moon = new moon = total darkness, tides affected, all the other neato stuff that a moon does to a planet - gone. Maybe a few survived, and fled to the Lands of Always Winter...? Now I sound like a lunatic. Stop it, Pig. Just stahp. You'll definitely enjoy reading this if you haven't already: bluewinterrose.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/the-pearl-inheritance-i-the-pearl-of-great-price/EDIT: Wow! Here's a new article I hadn't even read yet. Very relevant and new theorycrafting: bluewinterrose.wordpress.com/2016/06/08/signs-and-portents-what-does-the-spiral-motif-mean/Thank you. I'll have to take a gander!
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 11:55:54 GMT
"In the beginning, the priestly scribes of Yin declare, all the land between the Bones and the freezing desert called the Grey Waste, from the Shivering Sea to the Jade Sea (including even the great and holy isle of Leng), formed a single realm ruled by the God-on-Earth, the only begotten son of the Lion of Night and Maiden-Made of Light, who traveled about his domains in a palanquin carved from a single pearl and carried by a hundred queens, his wives. For ten thousand years the Great Empire of the Dawn flourished in peace and plenty under the God-on-Earth, until at last he ascended to the stars to join his forebearers." Traveling in a pearl palanquin carried by a hundred queens sounds like a celestial body to me, not a real person. A sun? A moon? Basically this entire legend is a variation on ancient Egypt and the theology surrounding Ra the Sun-God. (Ra was thought to travel through the sky by 'sun boat' - a pearl palanquin sounds to me like the moon and surrounding stars.) Anyway, if this indeed a real person and not actually a deity, I would that this "God on Earth" might then be the equivalent of a Pharaoh - a king of all men who is thought to have divine power granted to him by the deities, or even descended from the deities themselves. Horus - both a deity and a Pharaoh - is probably a close approximation to this."Dominion over mankind then passed to his eldest son, who was known as the pearl Emperor and ruled for 1000 years. The Jade Emperor, the Tourmaline Emperor, the Onyx Emperor, the Topaz Emperor, and the Opal Emperor followed in turn, each reigning for centuries… Yet every reign was shorter and more troubled than the one preceding it, for wild men and baleful beasts pressed at the borders of the Great Empire, lesser kings grew prideful and rebellious, and the common people gave themselves over to avarice, envy, lust, murder, incest, gluttony, and sloth." Again, this to me is a continuation of the Pharaohs concept. In ancient Egypt, the significance of the Pharaoh and his religious importance waned over the centuries, and pharaohs were demoted in status from deities/near deities to mere rulers. And, of course, as ancient Egyptian practices and beliefs were encroached upon by the rise of adjoining empires and particularly of Christianity, and the wealth of the temples increased, the more corrupt its people became.
"When the daughter of the Opal Emperor succeeded him as the Amethyst Empress, her envious younger brother cast her down and slew her, proclaiming himself the Bloodstone Emperor and beginning a reign of terror. He practiced dark arts, torture, and necromancy, enslaved his people, took a tiger woman for his bride, feasted on human flesh, and cast down the true Gods to worship a black stone that had fallen from the sky. (Many scholars count the Bloodstone Emperor as the first High Priest of the sinister Church of Starry Wisdom, which persists to this day in many port cities throughout the known world)." The foundation of the Blood betrayal is most likely the story of Set and Osiris. Set is a malevolent god of the desert, storms, disorder, violence and chaos; he is said to have traitorously murdered his brother Osiris out of jealously of his status amongst the people as chief god and the rule over his lands. So, we have a Set-like character worshipping a meteorite - I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say that this meteorite is actually a castoff from a COMET that passed overhead. The impact of the meteorite must not have been all that destructive to the planet if the Bloodstone Emperor and his followers were still around to worship it, so I'm going with the idea that the comet from which it came actually preceded something else....a major cataclysm or climatic event.
"In the annals of the further east, it was the Blood Betrayal, as his usurpation is named, that ushered in the age of darkness called the Long Night. Despairing of the evil that had been unleashed on earth, the Maiden-Made-of-Light turned her back upon the world, and the Lion of Night came forth in all his wroth to punish the wickedness of men." So the darkness follows the appearance of the meteorite, and the Lion of Night (who I assume is said to "roar"? hence the Lion part?) unloads night upon the world. This sounds to me like a 'winter' of some kind. "How long the darkness endured no man can say, but all agree it was only when a great warrior – known variously as Hyrkoon the Hero, Azor Ahai, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser – arose to give courage to the race of men and lead the virtuous into battle with his blazing sword Lightbringer that the darkness was put to rout, and light and love returned once more to the world." The virtuous or the surviving? If the Long Night was indeed the result of some global-impact cataclysmic event (like the eruption of a supervolcano) during which not only the GEotD was eradicated but a majority of mankind, this figure - who is probably multiple people rolled into one - who ventured forth to rebuild and repopulate the world would indeed be a hero of the human race. I'm going to come back to this in a sec. "Yet the Great Empire of the Dawn was not reborn, for the restored world was a broken place where every tribe of men went its own way, fearful of all the others, and war and lust and murder endured, even to our present day. Or so of the men and women of the further east believe." I freely admit that during all three of my readings of ASOIAF, this kind of stuff just made my eyes glaze over, but I did get the sense that the "moral" of the story...if it is meant to have a moral...is that the beginning of man, the Dawn Age if you will, was a near perfect time. But as the years and thousands of years passed, man grew in imperfection and became more and more evil. Isn't this the story of the deluge? Where god or the gods felt man had gotten so bad that the only way to deal with them is to wipe them out? That these stories come from Essos just shows that they had their own deluge or extinction story.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 1, 2016 13:32:46 GMT
I did get the sense that the "moral" of the story...if it is meant to have a moral...is that the beginning of man, the Dawn Age if you will, was a near perfect time. But as the years and thousands of years passed, man grew in imperfection and became more and more evil. Isn't this the story of the deluge? Where god or the gods felt man had gotten so bad that the only way to deal with them is to wipe them out? Right, exactly. But of course, the story of the Great Deluge and Noah's Ark is a version of the superstructural monomyth based on a real, actual, natural earth event...a flood of epic proportion originating in the Black Sea region at the end of the last ice age. Not just that area though - glacial meltwater was leading to rising sea levels and massive flooding all over the world. So sure, multiple cultures from multiple places are recording stuff like this in their oral/runic histories and attributing it to the gods punishing mankind for their bad attitudes. I think we're seeing that here, but instead of flooding it's volcanoes - with probably some tsunami action stemming from the volcanoes (Hammer of the Waters via God's Eye, breaking of the Arm, etc).
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 1, 2016 17:14:28 GMT
Continuing along the path of Dany perhaps being a reborn incarnation of a fire god and the cycle of devastation, death, and rebirth. Was musing again on Bran's part in the story and the importance of him being able to jack into the weirnet. So, he's down there in the trees astral projecting all the place, having learned how to open his third eye. Now, we know the significance of the "third eye", both in story and in real-life world religion and mysticism: it provides perception beyond ordinary sight, right? The third eye allows one to "see" outside boundaries of time and space - exactly what Bran is doing right now. (Shameless self-plug #1: Marvel's Dr. Strange arc covers this as well, with Strange bearing the Eye of Agamotto, a mystic artifact that is the embodiment of the gifts of omniscient deity Agamotto the All-Seeing.) However, the eye is not to be taken lightly. If you look at the third eye from a real-world perspective, this eye is not merely a portal to higher consciousness...it is that fabled sword without a hilt, because although it is the eye of wisdom it is simultaneously an agent of mass destruction when it is opened. Take the Hindu god Shiva, known as the Destroyer. The common perception is that Shiva's third eye remains closed, and is only opened when Shiva's wrath is incurred. When Shiva opens the third eye, it lets loose a missile of fire that destroys all in its path and turns the world to ash. Ok, so, I think the connection to a real-world volcano is obvious; I don't need a third eye to see the similarity in imagery here. The story I'm posting below, though, has some other unbelievably fascinating elements to it that may be of interest as it is basically linking fire and ice. "But a reading of Shiva’s lore reveals something different. Yes, Shiva is furious when his wife, Sati, kills herself. The story goes that Sati marries Shiva against the wishes of her father, Daksha, who wants this daughter, like his other daughters, to marry a Deva, or god, rather than an ascetic . In retaliation, Daksha organizes a fire-sacrifice (or yagna) and invites all his sons-in-laws except Shiva, to partake of the ritual. Angry at the exclusion of her husband, Sati rushes into the sacrificial precinct and confronts her father, who mocks Shiva’s ascetic ways in front of all the assembled guests. Unable to bear this public humiliation, Sati kills herself by leaping into the sacrificial fire thereby polluting the ritual space and causing the yagna to grind to a halt. When Shiva learns of this event, he experiences deep rage and sorrow. Casting away his usual calm indifference, he transforms into Virabhadra, a fierce warrior, and goes on a rampage attacking everyone who had been silent witnesses to Sati’s death. He stops only when Daksha is beheaded. But the vengeance does not take away the sorrow – Shiva then goes around the world carrying the charred remains of Sati’s corpse, tears rolling down his eyes, moaning piteously. All those who hear him feel the depths of his pain. Fearing that Shiva’s sorrow threatens the wellbeing of the world, the Devas destroy Sati’s corpse, cutting it into tiny pieces. With the body gone, Shiva is able to overcome his sorrow. In keeping with his ascetic nature, he withdraws into a cave in the snowy peaks of the Himalayas, cleansing himself of all anger and pain, rejecting all things worldly."
So, a forbidden marriage, a sacrificial suicide ("the things I do for love") during the midst of a sacred fire ritual, the burned body of the fire wife dragged all over creation as her husband weeps godly tears and moans that half the world can hear, and the same husband finally retreating into an icy mountain to meditate - "the cold still mountains which represent the state of transcendence – where there is just stillness, silence and bliss." Granted, I'm biased, but a lot of volcanic imagery here too - perhaps the formation of such, some tectonic shifting and what have you.
Moving on with the tale:
"Shiva opens his third eye much later, when Sati is reborn as the daughter of the mountains, Parvati, and, smitten by Shiva, tries her best to evoke a romantic response in him. Shiva remains impassive, exasperating both her and the Devas who are eager to get Shiva married. So they send Kama, the god of lust, to raise his sugarcane bow, pull his bowstring buzzing with bees and shoot flowery darts of desire into Shiva’s heart. Unfortunately, the result is not quite what anyone expects. Instead of opening his eyes and expressing his desire for Parvati, Shiva opens a third eye, in the centre of the forehead and out comes a missile of fire that sets Kama aflame. Before Parvati’s horrified eyes, Kama is reduced to a pile of ashes. It is then that Shiva gets the name destroyer.
By destroying Kama, Shiva destroys not just desire but the very principle that keeps the whole world alive. Without desire, the bee will not go to the flower, the bull will not go to the cow. There will be no pollination, no reproduction. If animals do not mate, there will be no life. There will be no renewal, no resurrection, no regeneration. Spring will not follow winter. The world will transform into a wasteland."
This is about balance. "Lust" is often associated with fire - fiery passion, the flames of desire. Without fire, the world becomes ice. If I think of this in geologic terms, we have what is basically a dormant possibly subglacial volcano that is experiencing some kind of maybe melting event that is changing the landscape, more or less...things are starting to green up. Shiva's anger and subsequent opening of the eye that turns 'lust' to ash to me signifies, well, an eruption event that destroys whatever environmental progress (for lack of better word) is being made, stops it right in its tracks and returns to stasis, the world as a wasteland.
"Realizing that Shiva will not respond to lust, the Devas are in a fix. How do they resurrect Kama? They turn to Parvati who turns out to be no ordinary girl. She is the mother-goddess, Shakti, herself, the feminine counterpart of Shiva, complementing everything he is. She takes it upon herself to transform the hermit into a householder and make him acknowledge the importance of lust and desire in the world. But the method she adopts takes everyone by surprise. She prays. [skipping some stuff for length] By the power of her prayer, she forces Shiva to step out of his cave and present himself before her and offer her a boon. Through prayer, Shakti demonstrates her determination to realize her desire – and even Shiva, the destroyer of the god of desire, is forced to submit. What do you want? he asks. And she says, I want you to be my husband. Shiva has no choice but to accept.
The marriage of Shiva to Shakti is celebrated by everyone. It is a pivotal metaphysical event in which Shiva (the one who rejects desire) [ice] joins Shakti (the one who rejoices in desire) [fire]. Thus the monastic order which frowns upon fertility and materialism is forced to acknowledge the importance of fertility and material things in worldly life. A balance is restored."
Fire and ice, yin and yang, the earth is one. We all know what happens to the earth after a fiery event of some sort, whether volcanic eruption or forest fire or some kind of space rock impact - the land is burned and devastated, life destroyed. But...within some years, life finds a way. The grasses return, the plants and flowers return, the trees return, and it all begins again.
Also...there is another side to Shiva's eye that is relevant to this.
"According to Mahabharata, One day Shiva's wife Parvati, daughter of the King of Mountains, stealthily went behind Shiva and playfully placed her hands over his eyes. Suddenly darkness engulfed the whole world and all beings trembled in great fear as the lord of the universe had closed his eyes. Suddenly a massive eye of flame erupted from the forehead of Shiva; a third eye had appeared there and this gave light to the world." "Another story of the third eye of Lord Shiva is as follows. Once, Goddess Parvati playfully closed Lord Shiva's eyes with her palms. The universe was engulfed in darkness. So, Lord Shiva had to open His third eye to provide light and energy to the world."
In other words, Shiva's third eye is Lightbringer. Opening his third eye also ushers in that necessary balance by setting the upset world right again.
It's also interesting that the story continues on to say that Shiva's smoldering third eye and Pavarti's subsequent sweaty hands go on to create a child, Andhaka, who eventually ends up having to be killed by his own father because he lusted after his own mother. Again, recurrent themes here of life, death, child 'sacrifice'. Also, the big moral of that story is that transcendence causes blurred lines and blindness to necessary divisions: "there is no right side or left side, nothing good or nothing bad, nothing right or nothing wrong, nothing auspicious and nothing inauspicious, nothing mine and nothing yours. (!!!) But according to this story, this transcendental state blinds one to worldly realities. Andhaka means the `blind one’, so blind that he does not even distinguish between mother and wife. The third eye destroys all sense of ownership – one loses sense of what is mine and what is not mine. So no woman can ever be wife or mother. Or rather all women become wife and mothers. This creates chaos as in the story of Andhaka."
And this brings us back to Dany - daughter of fire, wife of fire, mother of fire.
So, my point with all this is to explore what Bran really is, and what his third eye is really going to do. Everyone focuses on Jon and Dany, but I'm wondering if the real meat on the bone is going to be Bran and Dany. If "winter is coming" in the form of the Others, if indeed "The greatest danger of all, however, comes from the north, from the icy wastes beyond the Wall, where half-forgotten demons out of legend, the inhuman others, raise cold legions of the undead and the neverborn and prepare to ride down on the winds of winter to extinguish everything that we would call "life", will Bran, the last greenseer and true Lord of Winter-FELL, defeat the cold by TRULY opening his third eye? Is Bran Azor Ahai, the Last Hero who will thrust his flaming sword - the Last Dragon - into the LITERAL "heart" of winter, an act that saves the world but at great cost?
Shameless self-plug #2: the Marvel Dr. Strange arc covers this very thing. In the epic battle for humanity with the Lovecraftian demon Shuma Gorath, Shuma tells Strange, "You cannot be the preserver and the destroyer in the same aspect, Strange! You cannot be Shiva and Vishnu with the same sweep of the hand! There is simply no way you can win!" Strange realizes that he faces a choice - he can save the majority of human life by allowing the creature to win, or he can destroy the creature but at the same time sacrifice untold human lives...and himself...to do so. (Note: Strange chooses the latter by opening his Eye of Agamotto, which has been supercharged by powers from other gods absorbed into it, and does die in the process...but is resurrected/reborn afterwards - something that a WeirBran could also theoretically achieve.)
Anyway, Shiva has a circular association with ice and fire - fire led him to the ice, which led him to fire, which resulted in ice, etc. I'm wondering if Bran may be in the same boat with his third eye - he has to embrace the fire to balance the ice. And, if Dany herself is a true dragon, the last dragon, if she - and her 'flaming sword' Drogon - likewise has to give herself to the fire god - again - or somehow fuses her firepower with Bran in the literal heart of fire. Sortof a returning of the One Ring to the fires of Mordor thing.
I know this makes absolutely no sense. I hope no one wastes a lot of time reading it.
ETA: I knew there was something I forgot to barf up in here. The third eye is not attributed to merely mystical humans or deities. From Wikipedia: "A parietal eye, also known as a third eye or pineal eye, is a part of the epithalamus present in some animal species. The eye is photoreceptive and is associated with the pineal gland, regulating circadian rhythmicity and hormone production for thermoregulation. Reptiles and amphibians sense light via a third parietal eye, which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms. Circadian rhythms allow organisms to anticipate and prepare for precise and regular environmental changes. Timely prediction of seasonal periods of weather conditions, food availability, or predator activity is crucial for survival of many species. Although not the only parameter, the changing length of the photoperiod ('daylength') is the most predictive environmental cue for the seasonal timing of physiology and behavior, most notably for timing of migration, hibernation, and reproduction."
Winter is coming. Dragons are reborn.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 17:46:33 GMT
So, a forbidden marriage, a sacrificial suicide ("the things I do for love") during the midst of a sacred fire ritual, the burned body of the fire wife dragged all over creation as her husband weeps godly tears and moans that half the world can hear, and the same husband finally retreating into an icy mountain to meditate - "the cold still mountains which represent the state of transcendence – where there is just stillness, silence and bliss." Granted, I'm biased, but a lot of volcanic imagery here too - perhaps the formation of such, some tectonic shifting and what have you. I haven't read the whole shebang yet, but this part brought to mind Durran the Storm Lord stealing Elenei who was the daughter of two gods. She had to take mortal form to marry him and her parents went berserk, destroying, what was it, seven castles before Bran the Builder helped with Storm's End? To me though, this story is the oral history of the loss of the moon. Your own posts were about what would happen if a moon would go missing. The seas were supposed to be calm with high tide being caused by the sun, but in GRRM's world the seas were stormy without Nissa Nissa. But, maybe it's different if you had two moons to begin with and you went from two to one, would the seas react differently? The Storm Lord stealing the moonmaid story even became a constellation with the Storm Lord's identity becoming the Smith.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 1, 2016 19:12:12 GMT
Blimey I've missed a bunch! Sorry still catching up here folks... Winterfell has hot springs, a bottomless pool, and the crypts wind down very deeply - probably the deepest inverted mountain we've read about so far in the books. Dudes, this screams volcanic activity. Was the origin of Winterfell a caldera? Certainly a tectonic and volcanic hotspot. I mentioned that upthread. If there are hot springs there is absolutely volcanic activity. I was watching a docu, as I always do, and they showed how the Romans tapped into the hot water in Bath, England. It also showed how the water became hot by passing through layers of plates that are beneath the surface with constant lava flowing through channels beneath the plates. I'll have to see if I can find a graphic to illustrate this because it looks exactly like the lava flows Some Pig posted. He handed it to us on a silver platter, dudes. Passing beneath the shadow is passing a time hinge.
Mate, I've been saying this since 2013 on Heresy and no one have ever agree with me! Tyrion going through the Sorrows twice is glitch in the Matrix.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 1, 2016 19:15:48 GMT
I mentioned that upthread. If there are hot springs there is absolutely volcanic activity. I was watching a docu, as I always do, and they showed how the Romans tapped into the hot water in Bath, England. I threw that in without reading the whole thread so GTMA! ^5 Also Bath is a fantastic parallel. I've actually been there and remember some of the tour information. Mate, I've been saying this since 2013 on Heresy and no one have ever agree with me! Tyrion going through the Sorrows twice is glitch in the Matrix. Well I agree with you! It's all so obvious now actually.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 1, 2016 19:53:57 GMT
You are touching on some themes that are in my Wheel of Time - Ouroboros essay for BC's Centennial project. I have the whole darn thing completed, but...I don't know that you want the whole thing copied here. Yeah post it here in its own thread if you like. I'm sure our discussion on it will be quite different to any reaction you get on Heresy. I freely admit that during all three of my readings of ASOIAF, this kind of stuff just made my eyes glaze over, but I did get the sense that the "moral" of the story...if it is meant to have a moral...is that the beginning of man, the Dawn Age if you will, was a near perfect time. But as the years and thousands of years passed, man grew in imperfection and became more and more evil. Isn't this the story of the deluge? Where god or the gods felt man had gotten so bad that the only way to deal with them is to wipe them out? That these stories come from Essos just shows that they had their own deluge or extinction story. It definitely sounds just like that. The anthropomorphic telling of natural events.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 20:07:17 GMT
You are touching on some themes that are in my Wheel of Time - Ouroboros essay for BC's Centennial project. I have the whole darn thing completed, but...I don't know that you want the whole thing copied here. Yeah post it here in its own thread if you like. I'm sure our discussion on it will be quite different to any reaction you get on Heresy. I freely admit that during all three of my readings of ASOIAF, this kind of stuff just made my eyes glaze over, but I did get the sense that the "moral" of the story...if it is meant to have a moral...is that the beginning of man, the Dawn Age if you will, was a near perfect time. But as the years and thousands of years passed, man grew in imperfection and became more and more evil. Isn't this the story of the deluge? Where god or the gods felt man had gotten so bad that the only way to deal with them is to wipe them out? That these stories come from Essos just shows that they had their own deluge or extinction story. It definitely sounds just like that. The anthropomorphic telling of natural events. I should test it out here. You guys can help me make it better! It's a little long, I'll warn ya...I'm at work now so I cannot do it now, but maybe tonight.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 1, 2016 20:41:30 GMT
By destroying Kama, Shiva destroys not just desire but the very principle that keeps the whole world alive. Without desire, the bee will not go to the flower, the bull will not go to the cow. There will be no pollination, no reproduction. If animals do not mate, there will be no life. There will be no renewal, no resurrection, no regeneration. Spring will not follow winter. The world will transform into a wasteland." This reminds me of what the Red Priest said about Dany. She'll herald in a time with no death. If there is no death there is no birth either, presumably. If there is birth without death, then we're talking end of the world stuff here. Also on a completely different note, Jon does this when he turns away from Yrigitte. He pretty much freezes his desire for her. Even when in battle against her, he no longer desires her physically, he worries he might have killed her himself. Meanwhile all this is happening Dany is also fighting her desire for Dhaario. We know how that turns out. She never stops desiring him. This is another little yin yang moment.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 20:57:27 GMT
Meanwhile all this is happening Dany is also fighting her desire for Dhaario. We know how that turns out. She never stops desiring him. This is another little yin yang moment. Dany's desire for Daario is supposed to symbolize her desire to embrace the dragon. Hizdar is no fun, because he's all about political compromise...a true peace. Whereas Daario symbolizes using her dragons to take what she wants...fire and blood...the instant gratification is more satisfying.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 1, 2016 21:03:10 GMT
Dany's desire for Daario is supposed to symbolize her desire to embrace the dragon. Hizdar is no fun, because he's all about political compromise...a true peace. Whereas Daario symbolizes using her dragons to take what she wants...fire and blood...the instant gratification is more satisfying. Right which is in stark (heh) contrast to Jon at that moment rejecting the Kissed by Fire and embracing the lustless Ice.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 1, 2016 21:39:27 GMT
Dany's desire for Daario is supposed to symbolize her desire to embrace the dragon. Hizdar is no fun, because he's all about political compromise...a true peace. Whereas Daario symbolizes using her dragons to take what she wants...fire and blood...the instant gratification is more satisfying. Right which is in stark (heh) contrast to Jon at that moment rejecting the Kissed by Fire and embracing the lustless Ice. Kind of funny that we've got a woman that wants it, and a man that is willing to go without.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 2, 2016 0:27:20 GMT
lso on a completely different note, Jon does this when he turns away from Yrigitte. He pretty much freezes his desire for her. Even when in battle against her, he no longer desires her physically, he worries he might have killed her himself. Meanwhile all this is happening Dany is also fighting her desire for Dhaario. We know how that turns out. She never stops desiring him. This is another little yin yang moment. Kind of funny that we've got a woman that wants it, and a man that is willing to go without. Velly interesting....and after I read through the Bran Unbound thread, about Bran calling to Jon through the tree and telling him to open his third eye, now I'm wondering if JON is going to serve as the Shiva figure - the guy who removed himself from the world, who chose to hole away in a remote and frosty place, the guy who will have to open his third eye to cast light into the darkness. A darkness, if you subscribe to the Hindu lore, that he brought himself, that he bears partial responsibility for....partial only because someone else closed his two normal eyes. DEATH. So many people have pegged Jon as Azor Ahai...could this really be the case, just not in the way people think? If Jon has more of the north in him than his brothers, then perhaps the long-delayed opening of his third eye will be very, very important.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 2, 2016 0:55:29 GMT
So many people have pegged Jon as Azor Ahai...could this really be the case, just not in the way people think? If Jon has more of the north in him than his brothers, then perhaps the long-delayed opening of his third eye will be very, very important. whoosh moment here, how is "more of the North" translating into a long-delayed third eye opening for Jon?
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