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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 16, 2016 20:24:50 GMT
There's a silent L in there for Lannister. STALB or STABL. lol I call Tywin's inclusion the BLAST alliance....they were gonna blast the Targaryens right outta that iron chair. lol What do you make of this quote from WoIaF: With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants, on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands, not ten leagues from Harrenhal . . . where Rhaegar would once again come face-to-face with Lyanna Stark of Winterfell, and with her light a fire that would consume his house and kin and all those he loved—and half the realm besides. Does this have something to do with Brandon's errand? Was he supposed to meet Rhaegar at Harrenhal? Is this what Lysa knew and told Petyr adding the lie that Rhaegard was going to kidnap Lyanna? I love it, and am absolutely sure it was connected somehow. I've got something written up that I did on a parallel between Arya and Lyanna that touches on a possibility. After I play a few scintillating rounds of "Pop the Pig!" I will post it for analysis.
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Post by min on Aug 16, 2016 20:34:41 GMT
I love it, and am absolutely sure it was connected somehow. I've got something written up that I did on a parallel between Arya and Lyanna that touches on a possibility. After I play a few scintillating rounds of "Pop the Pig!" I will post it for analysis. Shoot I was editing while you were posting and added some more conjecture: Does this have something to do with Brandon's errand? Was he supposed to meet Rhaegar at Harrenhal? Is this what Lysa knew and told Petyr who added the lie that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna when they met at the Inn? That Petyr saw Rhaegar and company at the Inn and used it since it could be partially corroborated. Maybe it was Ashara being escorted from the Inn back South. If Lyanna was on her way to Riverrun and also ran into Petyr after Rhaeger was at the Inn; would he have lied to her as well? So she fled into hiding with Howland? That would be another account of someone seeing her at the Inn. Possibly mixed up stories and gossip over the lady who lit the fire with Rhaegar. Because I'm pretty convinced that Ashara is the woman Rhaegar loves.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 16, 2016 20:41:26 GMT
Because I'm pretty convinced that Ashara is the woman Rhaegar loves.
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Post by min on Aug 16, 2016 21:25:34 GMT
So maybe here's how it might have down at the Inn at the Crossroads:
1) Lysa tells Petyr about the STAB conspiracy and that Brandon is supposed to meet Rhaegar at Harrenhall 2) They stop at the Inn to pick up Ashara who is waiting for her brother to escort her home 3) Petyr is at the Inn and witnesses the love affair between Ashara and Rhaegar but nobody at the Inn knows her identity 4) Petyr telsl Rhaegar that Brandon means to kill him or something that causes him not to proceed to Harrenhal (just look what he did to me!) 5) Rhaegar's company leaves the Inn splitting company with Ashara returning South with her brother and Rhaegar disappearing 5) Lyanna arrives with Howland as her escort on her way to Riverrun. She is supposed to wait for her brother to escort her to Riverrun. 6) Petyr tells her that Rhaegar or the King's Men are looking for her and her brother and she must flee for her own safety without waiting. 7) Brandon arrives to pick up Lyanna and Petyr tells him that she left with Rhaegar of her own accord. 8) Witnesses testify that a beautiful woman who was waiting for her brother left with Rhaegar. He pursues Rhaegar to KL but he isn't there.
It's even possible that Lyssa didn't tell Petyr anything but he was caught listening at keyholes or heard talking about stuff he shouldn't know in a drunken stupor.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 16, 2016 23:02:50 GMT
Brandon LEFT RIVERRUN after the duel with PB. Why the heck was he there? We have no idea. Then, after he fillets Littlefinger, he leaves Cat for this mystery errand and vows to BRB. K. Brandon, en route back to Riverrun, "heard about Lyanna"...and goes hell bent for leather WITH HIS POSSE OF VALEMEN - Kyle Royce, Elbert Arryn, and Jeffory Mallister - toward King's Landing. Brandon's errand took him to the Vale. From Riverrun. Brandon hears about Lyanna on his way back to Riverrun If he was meeting Rickard and his party from Winterfell en route to the wedding at Riverrun, the Vale seems out of the way, doesn't it? And we aren't sure if Lyanna was travelling with Rickard but there is no reason she wouldn't be. That begs the question, how would Littlefinger know anything about Lyanna? Well, before leaving, he was being tended by two people at Riverrun - Maester Kym, and LYSA. Lysa Tully, who has proved in current story that she will lie and kill for Petyr Baelish. (Interesting also that Maester Kym seemingly died/disappeared during the Rebellion too - Kym gave Lysa the moon tea, but Luwin delivers Robb at Riverrun, and Maester Vyman has been maester there for many years now.) Something fun from the Wiki on Vyman: "Jaime resolves the siege of Riverrun. After the castle passes from House Tully to House Frey of Riverrun, Vyman remains in service to its new lord, Emmon Frey. When a message comes to Riverrun from King's Landing, Vyman accidentally reads its contents, which happened to be Queen Cersei Lannister declaring her love for her brother, Jaime. He brings the message to Jaime and tells him that the Citadel has declared that winter has come." OMG guys, my brain is spinning. We need to look at a Tully/Arryn conspiracy interrupted by Littlefinger. ... adding in the other missing Maester - Walys. Wait so was Brandon on the road with his posse around the same time that Rhaegar took his road trip with his posse? Had to have been around the same time, and in the same area. What's smack in the middle of the triangle created by KL (where Rhaegar came from) and Riverrun and the Vale? Harrenhal. "not ten leagues from Harrenhal..."
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Post by min on Aug 16, 2016 23:27:40 GMT
LOL. Well I'd sure like to know. The basic questions is where does Rhaergar come face-to-face with Lyanna and why do people think Lyanna was his love. Were Lyanna and Ashara together somewhere and did Baelish make off with Lyanna, the same way he made of with Sansa?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 17, 2016 0:57:42 GMT
I'm going to backtrack to Brandon's mysterious errand from Riverrun and plug in something I was working on re: parallels in past and present surrounding Arya. Arya, of course, shares much of Lyanna's personality and the wolf blood - I believe Arya's journey in ASOIAF represents one side of Lyanna, with Sansa bringing in elements from the other side. So, let's look at one instance where we see Arya's wolf blood boil up: the incident at the Trident between Arya/Mycah and Sansa/Joffrey which really sets things in motion for the downfall of the Starks.
Arya, the she-wolf, is off being not-a-lady, slumming with Mycah the butcher's boy. She and Mycah are discovered by the Crown Prince and his betrothed – her older sister Sansa - basically caught doing something that she isn't supposed to be doing. [Note: Joff deliberately left his sworn sword The Hound behind on this outing.] More importantly, Joff and Sansa walk up just as Arya takes a knock, which embarrasses her and compounds the situation. Joff of course acts like a giant asshole and picks on Mycah, and Arya physically attacks Joff. Joff backs Arya into a corner, then Nymeria jumps in. Arya chucks Lion’s Tooth into the Trident. Mycah runs away only to be found and killed by Clegane, and Sansa later sticks up for the Crown Prince and not her blood.
Now you could go with the mirror being the Tourney at Harrenhal/KotLT. Rhaegar sees Lyanna defend Howland from the squires, perhaps he “catches” her in the KotLT stunt as has been theorized, is amazed by her bravery and skill, and lets her/Howland go free, even though Aerys wants the head of the mystery knight and all that. Maybe Arthur Dayne as Rhaegar's sworn sword tracks her down and lets her escape.
BUT....the TRUE inversion would be more like: Lyanna and a friend happen upon the Crown Prince and someone else in the Riverlands doing something they aren’t supposed to be doing. (In a true 1:1 inversion, Rhaegar's companion would be one of Lyanna's brothers.) Whatever they are doing, it isn’t something that should be seen. Rhaegar /his companion are in the guilty/embarrassed position; Lyanna and her friend are the ones bearing witness to this secret thing. It is possible that Lyanna and *whoever* are attacked - because as GRRM said, the idea of her smarting off to the Crown Prince and getting away with it is a total crock of hooey. If indeed Rhaegar was without his sworn sword on hand as we see with Joffrey, perhaps Lyanna and her friend both escape - only to have the Crown Prince go on a hunt for her later. Or something like that, I haven't worked it out yet.
I want to explore that latter angle a little bit more, first because it's not so lovey-cheesy like them falling in love at the Tourney, and second because there's potential to work in a Stark male. Benjen of course is a big mystery (and Benjen as the younger brother would fit the "Sansa as older sister" inversion the best)and we still don't know why he went to the Wall at such a tender age, but there's also the whole thing with Brandon running his mysterious errand in the Riverlands prior to marrying Cat. Why? As heir to Winterfell, what was he doing there in the first place? And where did he go?
If we examine a potential role for Brandon as a Tully/Arryn go-between operating between Riverrun and the Eyrie, and then place Rhaegar in the Riverlands at the time Lyanna was "abducted" - which would have been sometime between Brandon leaving Riverrun for his errand and en route to Riverrun from the Vale - what can we infer? Rhaegar and Brandon were in approximately the same place at the same time. The question is why. Why did Rhaegar need to leave his wife and new son during a horrible winter, and go on walkabout in the riverlands with 6 buddies? Was he looking for Lyanna Stark, the same way the Hound went looking for Mycah, and the same way Cersei sent Lannister guards to look for Arya? Recall also that Ned Stark sent his own trusted men out to look for Arya too, in hopes they found her before the Queen's men did...was this something Brandon was doing for his sister?
When Brandon "heard about Lyanna", he headed straight for King's Landing. Tying into Brandon's furious "Come out and die, Rhaegar!", keep in mind that Arya had been found hiding out in the Riverlands by her father's men, but due to Lannister guards at the gates, was immediately taken before the king to face her charges of assaulting the Crown Prince (charges put forth by the Crown Prince himself, at urging of his mother the Queen). Rhaegar...and his companions..."falling upon" Lyanna Stark" in the riverlands....taking her at swordpoint...THEN we hear of Brandon showing up at King's Landing demanding retribution. In the modern day, we see the opposite - Sansa has to be forced to attend Arya's inquest before Robert and Cersei, and then refuses to defend her sister against the charges of the Crown. Perhaps Brandon's rash act ("the gallant fool") could be construed as him defending his sibling against some accusation brought about by/regarding the Crown Prince – standing up for her the way Sansa did not stand up for Arya.
Additional echo: Even though she sided with Joff, Sansa gets bitchslapped by karma, is betrayed by Lannisters, and loses her wolf - Lady is killed in place of the wolf they want at the suggestion of the Mad Queen - Lady and Sansa pay the price for Arya's wrongdoings. Ned, the Lord of Winterfell executes the wolf himself ("she is of the north and deserves better than a butcher") out of sight of his daughter and the Crown; Rickard Stark, the Lord of Winterfell, watches his son - the one with the most wolf blood - die to the public amusement of a king. Brandon Stark stood up for his sister - who may have been innocent - and became the sacrificial wolf for the Crown...until Aerys went overboard and demanded more.
Open questions:
If Lyanna witnessed something involving Rhaegar (or vice versa), what could it have been? And was someone with her that she was protecting?
Was Brandon involved?
If so, did Brandon get Rhaegar to agree to let his sister go, and Rhaegar later betrayed that trust?
Rhaegar had already passively insulted Lyanna at the ToHH short months before, angering Brandon by doing so. Is the laurel of blue roses related to the secret "thing" that might have led Rhaegar to pursue her?
If Arthur Dayne parallels the Hound as the sworn sword to the Crown Prince, what was his role? And how would his role lead to 1) Ned killing him at ToJ, and 2) the mutual level of respect between Ned and the Dayne family?
Once her father is arrested as a traitor to the crown, Arya manages to escape the Red Keep - with the help of Syrio and Needle - and survive by her wits until she sees Ned executed. Was Lyanna still alive for Rickard and Brandon's execution?
Since Arya evades capture by the Crown, could Lyanna have actually been held in the Black Cells for a time? Long enough to be raped "how many hundreds of times?"
How is Ned aware of Lyanna's pleading, that sounded so much like Sansa's*? *Which was not "promise me", mind you, but "No, don't do it, she didn't do it, Lady is good, it wasn't her."
How do we reconcile the idea of Rhaegar being the finest man XYZ ever knew, loving his Lady Lyanna, etc with the actions laid out in this scenario?
Now, tying in Littlefinger since that's what this thread is about, if any of the above is ballpark correct, it is possible that he could have 1) gotten word to Rhaegar of Lyanna's whereabouts to try and curry favor with the crown, or 2) told/sent a message of deliberate lie to Brandon about Lyanna's kidnapping. Whether this was his idea or he would do it as a puppet of someone else is TBD. In either case, the action would earn him favor with one noble house, strike a blow against another, throw the realm into chaos, and remove the future husband of his infatuation from the picture. Someone told; someone always tells. Was it Littlefinger?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 17, 2016 1:03:01 GMT
First off, I like where this thread is going. THE INN AT THE CROSSROADS. Yes! A well visited place by many, many folks, and... With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants, on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands, not ten leagues from Harrenhal . . . where Rhaegar would once again come face-to-face with Lyanna Stark of Winterfell, and with her light a fire that would consume his house and kin and all those he loved—and half the realm besides. ...when I first read this passage, the crossroads inn was my thought on the subject. Even royalty stops at The Inn. Someone from the these well known families must've been seen here at the crossroads, and then suddenly vanished from the radar. Now, I never accounted for Petyr to be mixed up with the goings on circa Stark-Tully wedding and Lyanna's dissapearance, although I've seen it suggested that he might have had a hand in it. (The mockingbird mimicking another's song?) He does seem a little young, but he had to start somewhere, right? (Just to side step a little, I've always thought Rhaegar could've been in the Riverlands searching for a very old, very short woman with greendreams. But that's for another thread.) Just thinking that Petyr could have actually ran across Rhae-Rhae and the gang.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 17, 2016 1:16:16 GMT
If he was meeting Rickard and his party from Winterfell en route to the wedding at Riverrun, the Vale seems out of the way, doesn't it? If Brandon left Riverrun for his errand and was heading to the Vale, he would first take the River Road west and then the High Road northeast to the Eyrie. The junction? The Inn at the Crossroads. If Rickard came down with his men from Winterfell, he would take the Kingsroad south. If he planned to meet up with Brandon en route and Brandon was returning from the Vale via the High Road, guess the junction - the Inn at the Crossroads. Brandon got there first coming from the east, and would wait for Rickard traveling more slowly with a larger party. If he "heard about Lyanna" at the Inn, he could have very easily jumped on horse with his Vale companions and thundered down the Kingsroad, leaving word for Rickard to follow...which he did. This could be totally wrong, of course...I'm just saying he went to the Vale or somewhere near the Vale because he rode to KL with his squire Ethan Glover and three dudes from the Vale. Brandon wasn't fostered in the Vale, so it seems strange that he would have these three with him. Wait so was Brandon on the road with his posse around the same time that Rhaegar took his road trip with his posse? Had to have been around the same time, and in the same area. What's smack in the middle of the triangle created by KL (where Rhaegar came from) and Riverrun and the Vale? Harrenhal. You got it! What's the deal, pickle? Something's fishy.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 17, 2016 1:21:49 GMT
When Brandon "heard about Lyanna", he headed straight for King's Landing. Tying into Brandon's furious "Come out and die, Rhaegar!", keep in mind that Arya had been found hiding out in the Riverlands by her father's men, but due to Lannister guards at the gates, was immediately taken before the king to face her charges of assaulting the Crown Prince (charges put forth by the Crown Prince himself, at urging of his mother the Queen). Rhaegar...and his companions..."falling upon" Lyanna Stark" in the riverlands....taking her at swordpoint...THEN we hear of Brandon showing up at King's Landing demanding retribution. In the modern day, we see the opposite - Sansa has to be forced to attend Arya's inquest before Robert and Cersei, and then refuses to defend her sister against the charges of the Crown. Perhaps Brandon's rash act ("the gallant fool") could be construed as him defending his sibling against some accusation brought about by/regarding the Crown Prince – standing up for her the way Sansa did not stand up for Arya. Additional echo: Even though she sided with Joff, Sansa gets bitchslapped by karma, is betrayed by Lannisters, and loses her wolf - Lady is killed in place of the wolf they want at the suggestion of the Mad Queen - Lady and Sansa pay the price for Arya's wrongdoings. Ned, the Lord of Winterfell executes the wolf himself ("she is of the north and deserves better than a butcher") out of sight of his daughter and the Crown; Rickard Stark, the Lord of Winterfell, watches his son - the one with the most wolf blood - die to the public amusement of a king. Brandon Stark stood up for his sister - who may have been innocent - and became the sacrificial wolf for the Crown...until Aerys went overboard and demanded more. Now, tying in Littlefinger since that's what this thread is about, if any of the above is ballpark correct, it is possible that he could have 1) gotten word to Rhaegar of Lyanna's whereabouts to try and curry favor with the crown, or 2) told/sent a message of deliberate lie to Brandon about Lyanna's kidnapping. Whether this was his idea or he would do it as a puppet of someone else is TBD. In either case, the action would earn him favor with one noble house, strike a blow against another, throw the realm into chaos, and remove the future husband of his infatuation from the picture. Someone told; someone always tells. Was it Littlefinger? The mockingbird likes to pretend to be on everyone's side. Always the friend one is searching for with a sweet tune to hear. Sorry to be so cheesy, but that's who Petyr Baelish is.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 17, 2016 3:44:25 GMT
Sometimes I think Arya is Lyanna's parallel, but sometimes I also think she's paralleling Ashara. Somewhere after the abduction and before one of them gives birth, I think Lyanna and Ashara trade places. Maybe the baby swap was actually a mother swap? Just dumping some thoughts that I can't seem to get rid of.
To get back to Petyr and Brandon and the Inn at the Crossroads, maybe we should look at Catelyn and Tyrion for answers? We've got a mother of a great house taking the son of another great house. The inversion might be a father of one house taking the daughter of the other. In Catelyn's instance, the mother took the son east to her sister's house. So shouldn't it be more like Kevan taking Lyanna west to Tywin's? Kevan has the history with taking nobles hostage, and Tywin has a history of sending men out in disguise. I don't know how Petyr would fit into this scenario, but if he's responsible for something in the past, then his inversion would be doing something similar in the present.
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Post by min on Aug 17, 2016 6:55:33 GMT
Did Lyanna see Rhaegar in an private relationship with a man by any chance? Arthur Dayne maybe? An inversion of Euron and Aeron/Urri or mirror Renly and Loras? Wasn't Connington jealous of Rhaegar's relationships? Was Lyanna travelling with her maester and a small escort some who were killed who told Brandon what happened. Then Lyanna was taken to Starfall by Arthur. Ashara an inversion of Margaery
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Post by min on Aug 17, 2016 7:53:35 GMT
Brandon got there first coming from the east, and would wait for Rickard traveling more slowly with a larger party. If he "heard about Lyanna" at the Inn, he could have very easily jumped on horse with his Vale companions and thundered down the Kingsroad, leaving word for Rickard to follow...which he did. Why would Lyanna be travelling separately from Rickard's group? And why would people mistake her for Ashara the woman Rhaegar loves. How long is this after the Tourney? Could Ashara and Lyanna have stayed on at Harrenhal for a while and then travelled together to the Inn waiting for their escorts to collect them? Petyr/Loki could cause some mischief especially if he knew about the STAB conspiracy. It might win him some favor with Tywin at some point. Collecting and selling secrets is Petyr's trademark. It could be the point where he started climbing the ladder having learned something about subterfuge at Riverrun. I'm partial to the idea that Petyr may have been 'a little bird' spying for Tywin or even Varys. He had to learn the ropes from somebody. There is also the mysterious letter he sends to Cat. Something to do with Lyanna's whereabouts? Something that would get Ned and Robert out of the Eyrie for an ambush? Is this why Petyr seems to know so much about Varys? GoT - Catelyn meets up with Petyr and Varys before Ned's arrival: "I've angered you, my lady. That was never my intent." He looked contrite. The look brought back vivid memories for Catelyn. Petyr had been a sly child, but after his mischiefs he always looked contrite, it was a gift he had. The years had not changed him much. Petyr had been a small boy, and he had grown into a small man, an inch or two shorter than Catelyn, slender and quick, with the sharp features she remembered and the same laughing grey-green eyes He had a little pointed chin beard now, and threads of silver in his dark hair, though he was still shy of thirty. They went well with the silver mockingbird that fastened his cloak. Even as a child he had always loved his silver.
All the physical characteristics that Varys favors for his little birds? How does a boy with no means get his silver?
"How did you know I was in the city?" She asked him.
"Lord Varys knows all," Petyr said with a sly smile. "He will be joining us shortly, but I wanted to see you alone first. It has been too long, Cat. How many years?"
I'd say in a poker game that Petyr's sly smile is his tell. LOL
Catelyn ignored his familiarity. There were more important questions. "So it was the King's Spider who found me?"
Littlefinger winced. "You don't want to call him that. He's very sensitive. Comes of being an eunuch, I imagine. Nothing happens in this city without Varys knowing Oftimes he knows about it before it happens He has informants everywhere. His little birds, he calls them. One of his little birds heard about your visit. Thankfully, Varys came to me first."
Littlefinger winced? That's another tell. Why? Did he once mock Varys for being a eunuch and was taught a painful lesson causing him to wince to this day? I'm reminded of the lesson Petyr teaches Sansa when Lysa tries to throw her out the moon door. He specifically asks Sansa if she learned the lesson. Shorty before she wanted to leave. Perhaps Varys had someone castrated in front of Petyr to get a handle on his mischiefs. Was, Petyr not only a little bird but a mocking bird?
Can we interpret this as Petyr found out first and told Varys? Part of the game they play with each other?
What follows is that Petyr questions Cat about the reason she is in KL saying that Varys will join them. It sounds like a staged set piece with Varys listening at the door and coming in on cue. Then Petyr springs the story about the knife. This is the last line in the chapter:
"The Imp," said Littlefinger as Lord Varys watched her face. "Tyrion Lannister."
Seems to me that Varys isn't surprised by the story; he's specifically watching Cat's face to see how she reacts. I'd say that Petyr and Varys are old friends going way back. Varys was probably behind the letter that Petyr sent to Cat; which she burned without reading. Or was Varys involved with Lyanna's disappearance; something Petyr tried to tell Cat about in a moment of contrition.
Did Varys hide Lyanna in a brothel? Where she was raped hundreds of times and is this why Ned reacts the way he does when he meets Cat at Petyr's brothel? Because eventually he finds her in a brothel or is told where to find her.
So I guess the question is whether Varys was travelling with Rhaegar as one of the unidentified close confidents. What or whom did Lyanna see when she crossed paths? Was Rhaegar meeting Tywin? Did Tywin kidnap her and put her in a brothel? Why would Brandon then rush off the KL. Was he also meeting Tywin and got the kidnapping story from him? Tywin was missing from the Tourney but was he in the vicinity at Harrenhall later? The silent partner as Feather calls him?
Tywin has the money to finance a war but if he can't have Rhaegar; he must have Robert. A story that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar fits Tywin's purpose. Lyanna only has to cross paths with Tywin first. Then he can set things in motion with Rhaegar and Brandon. If Varys was there with Tywin which seems more likely; he is the likely person to hide her for whatever reason and inform Ned of her whereabouts at some point.
From GoT Eddard - Petyr takes Ned to meet Catelyn:
The sounds of music and raucous laughter drifted out and floated over the water. Beside the door swung an ornate oil lamp on a heavy chain, with a globe of leaded red glass.
Ned Stark dismounted in a fury. "A brothel," He said as he seized Littlefinger by the shoulder and spun him around. "You've brought me all this way to take me to a brothel."
"Your wife is inside," Littlefinger said.
It was the final insult. "Brandon was too kind to you," Ned said as he slammed the small man back against a wall and shoved his dagger up under the little pointed chin beard.
"My lord, no," an urgent voice called out. "He speaks the truth,"
Rodrick Cassel nodded. "Your lady awaits you upstairs."
Ned was lost. "Catelyn is truly here? This is not some strange jape of Littlefinger's?
What could this be about? A strange jape concerning Lyanna perhaps. Why was Brandon too kind to Littlefinger?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 17, 2016 14:18:11 GMT
I'm partial to the idea that Petyr may have been 'a little bird' spying for Tywin or even Varys. He had to learn the ropes from somebody. There is also the mysterious letter he sends to Cat. Something to do with Lyanna's whereabouts? Something that would get Ned and Robert out of the Eyrie for an ambush? Is this why Petyr seems to know so much about Varys? Gaaaah, yes!!!!! This has been a mega-tinfoil of mine forever, that Varys and Littlefinger are actually working together!! What was that line of Baelish's about confusing your enemies and often doing things that would seem against your own best interest? There are so many overlapping circles between these two, and I suspect the circle in the middle is the Faceless Men. So, so many things. Did Varys hide Lyanna in a brothel? Where she was raped hundreds of times and is this why Ned reacts the way he does when he meets Cat at Petyr's brothel? Because eventually he finds her in a brothel or is told where to find her.I. love. this. Never even occurred to me and it makes perfect sense. Lyanna forced into prostitution, KG somewhere "far away", pillow houses in Lys, Mero telling Dany he thinks he had sex with her sister in a brothel. And of course the famous chapter with Ned visiting Robert's newest bastard child in a brothel. OH MY GOD this is fantastic! ETA: I think the downside to this thought is Ned's lack of extreme negative emotion toward Rhaegar AND Varys - so either he doesn't know, they weren't responsible, or it isn't the case after all. Still want to explore further though!!!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 17, 2016 14:55:34 GMT
LOL! Just recalling what Tywin did to Tyrion and his love. Where do whores go? If you can do that to your own son.... Right, and the irony of course being that neither Tysha nor Lyanna were whores...just girls who were in the way of someone else's gain. I feel the need to spreadsheet coming on...
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