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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 6, 2016 4:47:58 GMT
The genius aspect of his personality certainly suggests Asperger's. His paranoia doesn't though, that's not a usual symptom, mainly because true Aspergers don't care about what the outside world is doing. Yep, the monofocal genius thing, the no touching thing, the lack of appropriate affect in social situations, etc...all Aspie. I figured the paranoia was just a side effect of the drugs...didn't tie that at all to the Tyler Durden thing. Then again, I'm only through Ep 5! I'm sure more will become clear here soon. I think they've given him a mental illness fritatta to go along with his drug omelette.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 9, 2016 15:40:45 GMT
Ok, so, I finished Season 1. I have a major spoilery type question/observation here so don't read if you don't want potential spoilers. The Tyler Durden thing was resolved, but is anyone else thinking that Tyrell Wellick is another personality? There's definitely the American Psycho thing going on along with the Fight Club thing, and now that I'm rethinking some of the Tyrell/Elliot interactions as well as some of Mrs. Wellick's behavior, I'm of the mind that they are the same person - and neither identity is aware of the other. The sister who is recently back in the city isn't aware of the Tyrell personality either.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 9, 2016 16:39:03 GMT
Ok, so, I finished Season 1. I have a major spoilery type question/observation here so don't read if you don't want potential spoilers. The Tyler Durden thing was resolved, but is anyone else thinking that Tyrell Wellick is another personality? There's definitely the American Psycho thing going on along with the Fight Club thing, and now that I'm rethinking some of the Tyrell/Elliot interactions as well as some of Mrs. Wellick's behavior, I'm of the mind that they are the same person - and neither identity is aware of the other. The sister who is recently back in the city isn't aware of the Tyrell personality either. I'd need to rewatch the episode in which Elliot plants the thermometer jammer in the men's room. Particularly when they two sit down in the caffe, do they both get served or just one of them? There's that mirror scene when Elliot and Mr Robot are in the bar and they both end up drinking Apple Martinis, that was a huge clue. As was how on earth would Mr Robot know the details of Elliot's dad's death, that's what gave it away for me. So we'd have to look for clues along the same lines when Elliot and Tyrell are together. That's an interesting take on the situation. I hadn't considered it; and you're right Mrs Wellick would be in the know if her husband had issues like that before. I am just wonder though how would Elliot/Tyrell be able to hold down two jobs and live in two places with any kind of consistency? Seems like Tyrell does spend a lot of time away from the Wellick home, but he also spends a lot of time at E-Corp. And if Elliot was Tyrell, why didn't the secretary recognise him when he asked for Wellick's office?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 10, 2016 1:41:14 GMT
I think I'm going to have to go back through the whole first season with this in mind, and note the oddities. So we'd have to look for clues along the same lines when Elliot and Tyrell are together. There are actually quite a few of these clues, mostly stuff that Tyrell says/knows that is rather...odd. Also, start checking out Tyrell's appearance about midway through the season. When Elliot is up all night doing things, Tyrell appears in his next scene with bloodshot eyes. As Elliot is devolving at the end, Tyrell starts developing the bruised bags under the eyes just like Elliot, and basically starts losing his own shit in other different ways. That's off the top of my head; there are way more "tells". how would Elliot/Tyrell be able to hold down two jobs and live in two places with any kind of consistency? Seems like Tyrell does spend a lot of time away from the Wellick home, but he also spends a lot of time at E-Corp. And if Elliot was Tyrell, why didn't the secretary recognise him when he asked for Wellick's office? Good valid questions. For the latter, like I mentioned I need to go back through and check some things, but for the moment I'm chalking that up to Elliot basically forging his own reality - it's possible that encounter didn't even happen. For the former, recall that random throwaway scene from S1 E10, the intro in which his shrink lady meets her ex-boyfriend - the one who was living a double life, married with kids, operating in their relationship under a totally different name. I wondered why in the heck the writers chose to show that exchange, especially since there was no follow-through consequence of that discussion, until I thought about it in the context of a Tyrell/Elliot split personality. At that point it became decidedly non-random and to me seemed like a subtle hint about what was really happening. Some faithful Redditors have already explored this possibility, and I found a few comprehensive lists of all the nods to it. I can link if you like!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 10, 2016 3:46:17 GMT
Some faithful Redditors have already explored this possibility, and I found a few comprehensive lists of all the nods to it. I can link if you like! No thanks, I am not reading anything on this series yet, not even scrolling down to the bottom of the page on IMDB because I don't want season 2 spoiled in any way. I got burned by doing just that on Vikings. I was on season 2 and some bright spark decided to ask Why did Floki kill Aethelsan? in the thread title, and it was right there at the bottom of title page, under the recent threads links for their forum. But you're making a real good case so far. I have a feeling this might be answered in season 2. Especially if it turns out that it's Tyrell that's knocking on Elliot's door, because isn't he back on his meds by that point?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 10, 2016 4:27:16 GMT
Ooooh, I missed that you hadn't started S2 yet! I will be quiet then.
I just finished E2 of S2, and judging from the end of the episode, if this isn't the case, Sam Esmail is pulling off an even bigger audience troll job than D&D.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 10, 2016 15:26:39 GMT
Ooooh, I missed that you hadn't started S2 yet! I will be quiet then. LOL and I didn't know you'd already started watching s2 yet. I will say one thing though, NYC is probably the only city on earth that a loony talking and arguing with himself in public, could have a bartender just taking it in his stride, and serving him as casually as if that happened everyday. Back home he'd be refused service and escorted from the premises. Unless he was already known as a harmless customer that is. Which didn't seem the case with Elliot and this bar.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2016 13:25:04 GMT
Finally caught up to S2 episode 11... ...which went full-on David Lynch. Only thing missing was a dancing, backwards-talking dwarf.
Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep. Mind awake. Body asleep.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 17, 2016 14:27:52 GMT
I'm *that guy* that reads up on spoilers and such, and from what I'm hearing, S2 is a real psychological rollercoaster ride. I'm on Ep4 now, I think. I make the mistake of watching these late at night after kids are asleep and about 2/3 way into a double-size margarita, so let's just say I tend to nod a little at points and lose my place.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2016 14:42:55 GMT
... can I mention how freakin awesome BD Wong is?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 17, 2016 14:55:16 GMT
... can I mention how freakin awesome BD Wong is? I LOVE his character. If he and Job from Banshee could get a spinoff show, I would die of happiness. And what's funny, BD Wong has always been a fairly meh actor for me in his various roles. I mean, he does well and the characters aren't BAD, they just aren't memorable. This is his wheelhouse for sure.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2016 14:58:58 GMT
Job and Whiterose FTW!
Yes, BD phones it on Law and Order. Did you see him in Gotham? I've only seen that in passing but I heard he was "not bad" in that.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 17, 2016 15:18:34 GMT
I don't remember him in Gotham - I lost track after Season 2 so am not up to speed; he must have come in after that.
There are some people that are just born to be character actors, and their talents are wasted on "regular" roles.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2016 15:25:16 GMT
I don't remember him in Gotham - I lost track after Season 2 so am not up to speed; he must have come in after that. There are some people that are just born to be character actors, and their talents are wasted on "regular" roles. He plays Hugo Strange.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 17, 2016 16:34:53 GMT
Blimey! Whiterose and Job, that would be awesome. I still haven't watched s02 of this, but the little bit we see of Whiterose in s01 is brilliant. Those two and maybe Liz Taylor from AHS Hotel should remake To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar.
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