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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 14, 2016 22:58:15 GMT
I think this show is going to be spectacular in the long run, because of all the philosophical/existential issues you raise. While the storyline maybe a bit worn, I think the overall symbolism I'm seeing in the photography of the episode I watched is well worth putting up with yet another AI interpretation BTW has anyone here seen Humans?
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Post by min on Oct 17, 2016 22:56:41 GMT
Entertainment Weekly detailed episode recaps: Where is this place/planet? Mars
- Ford's statement that life evolved on this planet... life may have existed on Mars at one time - park geology is primarily 'red' rock and desert - the park looks like it's located in a crater - everything in the park is 'created' - operations are underground - this week's cryptic clue about the constellation Orion and last week's clue "follow the red arrow to the place where the snake lays it's eggs" - sounds like navigation using the stars to find the maze
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Post by min on Oct 17, 2016 23:03:30 GMT
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 17, 2016 23:37:28 GMT
Is he a 1st gen host, allowed to survive and to believe he's really a guest? So that he can evolve? Or is he really a billionaire guest? I'm not sure if the boy was a clue - a host programmed to believe they're a guest. And I can't help but think there is a connection between the maze and the introduction to religion that Anthony Hopkins seems to excited about. I haven't watched E3 yet and thus my thoughts may be negated by that, but I'm wondering if the MiB and the creepy boy are 1st gen prototypes...using the background/physical characteristics of their techie makers. Notice how the creepy boy was British - just like Ford, and was wearing the crisp black and white short pants outfit, whereas when Ford was dressing down the arrogant tech dude for his shitty new narrative, Ford was dressed in black and white also, the adult version. I think the boy is Ford as a child (or a twin brother) that has been "recreated". The MiB is different - I don't think he's a host per se. Haven't sorted my thoughts out on him yet but I think he's a newcomer that somehow has a history with Ford and the creation of the hosts. Like maybe he's trying to figure out the secret to eternal life, ie do a consciousness dump into a host body to live forever.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 17, 2016 23:37:53 GMT
Seems to me that Ed Harris is Ford's old partner Arnold? "30 years" seems like the clue there.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 17, 2016 23:38:31 GMT
SANDWICHES
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Post by min on Oct 17, 2016 23:58:04 GMT
Seems to me that Ed Harris is Ford's old partner Arnold? "30 years" seems like the clue there. That's what I'm thinking also. He did say last week that he was 'born' in the park. He might be the 'original' version of his maker in his own image.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 18, 2016 0:05:35 GMT
He might be the 'original' version of his maker in his own image. I like this! Because my gut still tells me the MiB is a wayward host because of how the maze seems so mythological. Nice call Min!
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 18, 2016 0:13:56 GMT
I think I've brought this up before, but the Gunslinger said that he had been coming here for 30 years, and that he was "born" there. I agree that he could be a candidate for Arnold...especially since the milk drinker was shouting for Arnold...wasn't he indicating that his actions were due to Arnold?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 18, 2016 0:25:53 GMT
"Fiction, like all great stories...is rooted in truth." - the show's on HBO right now, and I just caught that one. Melifeather, ah good catch!
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 18, 2016 0:28:42 GMT
Totally forgot to bring this up What's with the Wild West Sandpeople at the end? They're not hosts - they can't be shot.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 18, 2016 0:33:55 GMT
I think Bernard is to blame...at least for some of this, and Dr Ford suspects something, because he reminds Bernard that the hosts don't feel anything unless you tell them to. Bernard has been spending a lot of time with Dolores, because he feels she suffers too much and I think he's trying to give her cognitive skills to become more aware, thus the reading and the book discussions and his questions about her role and whether or not she's choose to be good or bad. Maybe we'll find out that Bernard and Arnold are in communication, that they're doing experiments to see if the hosts can become self-aware.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 18, 2016 0:39:15 GMT
he reminds Bernard that the hosts don't feel anything unless you tell them Yes and then there is the whole scene with the host being covered up by one of the techs, who has to be reminded they don't get cold and they don't feel shame. Seems like Ford is constantly driving that message home. Also I'm liking the HoBaW-style wall of faces in Ford's office
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Post by min on Oct 18, 2016 7:53:12 GMT
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Post by min on Oct 18, 2016 7:59:58 GMT
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