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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 19, 2016 13:52:23 GMT
I don't imagine that children are actually allowed in this particular theme park at all. Per the website, there's a kid-friendly area of the park where families can go and do tame things, and a sort of babysitting section where parents can dump their children so they can go murder/rape/pillage uninhibited. Like Disney meets Sandals Resorts. LOL
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 19, 2016 13:59:04 GMT
what Ford says and what he does are two different things. Ford was lying to Bernard about the respective motivations of Arnold and himself. One alternative is that Ford is not lying about how he felt 30 years ago but at some point since then, or maybe just over time, his views changed to be more aligned with Arnold's. Right - I briefly toyed with the idea that Arnold 'became' Ford after the incident 30 years ago, assuming Ford's identity, but I think too many people were involved to have that pass muster. I am curious to know what happened to the other original scientists though, the 12 or so others that Ford tells Bernard worked on the first builds. It's possible that Ford has had a change of heart, but I bet it's more that he's realized the value of Arnold's ideas in terms of his own gain - more power, godlike status, etc.
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Post by ac on Oct 19, 2016 14:11:09 GMT
It's possible that Ford has had a change of heart, but I bet it's more that he's realized the value of Arnold's ideas in terms of his own gain - more power, godlike status, etc. Very likely.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 19, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
One thing that also occurred to me is that Ford might have been the cause of the failed first world he and Arnold built together. Maybe he tried to do away with Arnold in order to make the venture profitable. Ford said to Bernard that Arnold would've hated what they became. So if this tragic accident was not an accident, and not a suicide either, then the MiB is Arnold trapped within the world and hiding from Ford. No one seems to see the MiB at all. Yes they hear the milk drinking guy talk to him and the other host also mention his name, but none of the operators has seen him. The blame for killing all those guys is placed on the milk drinking host, when it was actually the MiB that killed them all. Abernathy goes mad after the visit from the MiB, but it's pinned on his finding that photo. I think Ford suspects or knows this to be true but is keeping it from the board and everyone else. Now if he's planting certain ideas in a real Bernard's head, he could be using him as way to get the hosts to be available to Arnold in ways they were not before. Even if Bernard is a host, this would work too.
Now if the Boy is Arnold's son, then Ford would go to visit him and plant ideas or suggestions in the Boy's head as a way to get to Arnold. I think Ford knows Arnold is not dead, but hiding and he's getting increasingly desperate to flush him out. This introduction of new narratives, ones that hit so close to the mark with what Arnold was interested in seem conveniently timed. If there's been unwiped code or memories floating around in the hosts for 30 years, you'd think they'd have been seeing rogue behaviour much earlier than this. The techs said in one of the previous episodes that it seems to be the first builds that are showing problems. But if Teddy's experience is to be believed, those rogue hosts that couldn't be killed, are taken directly out of the narrative that Ford denied that arrogant designer. And as we saw, those are all new builds.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 19, 2016 17:19:56 GMT
the MiB is Arnold trapped within the world and hiding from Ford. No one seems to see the MiB at all. Yes they hear the milk drinking guy talk to him and the other host also mention his name, but none of the operators has seen him. The blame for killing all those guys is placed on the milk drinking host, when it was actually the MiB that killed them all. Abernathy goes mad after the visit from the MiB, but it's pinned on his finding that photo. nice! Now if the Boy is Arnold's son, then Ford would go to visit him and plant ideas or suggestions in the Boy's head as a way to get to Arnold. I think Ford knows Arnold is not dead, but hiding and he's getting increasingly desperate to flush him out. This introduction of new narratives, ones that hit so close to the mark with what Arnold was interested in seem conveniently timed. Totally fits with Ford telling the Boy to stay away from the expansion pack.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 22, 2016 21:56:03 GMT
I missed this the first 5 times I watched Episode 3.
How did the gun get in the haypile?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 23, 2016 16:29:07 GMT
I missed this the first 5 times I watched Episode 3. How did the gun get in the haypile? I'm not entirely sure but Dolores finds it in her draw that morning when she goes to put her clothes away. She takes it out of it's wrappings, rewraps it, puts it back and shuts the draw on it. When she opens the draw again, the gun is gone, so she puts her clothes she'd left on top of the dresser away. There's also her not remembering how she'd found it in the dirt by the corral door. So I think we're dealing with more than one loop having played out since that little talk with Bernard. Interesting couple of things here though. First, she finds the gun where her father earlier had found the photo, I think, unless it was a different location and I'm getting them mixed up. And second is that she doesn't remember or even think to look for it in the hay until Rebus flashes into the MiB. So I'm left wondering if the reason she could remember anything at all is due to his presence? Just like her father going mad after the MiB visits.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 23, 2016 18:25:40 GMT
Do you recall that she was talking to herself right before finding the gun in the hay and dirt? She questions "Here?". Was she talking to herself? Was she trying to remember, or was someone communicating to her electronically?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 23, 2016 19:24:07 GMT
Was she talking to herself? Was she trying to remember, or was someone communicating to her electronically? Good questions because there's a point at which she also repeats that line about how violent delights come to violent ends, but I don't recall when she says that aloud. Was it when she finds the gun?
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 23, 2016 20:17:04 GMT
What if the maze isn't a physical place in the park, but rather a level of cognitive and rational thinking that needs to be followed in the host's minds to achieve lifelike realization? It's a mouse maze for them to figure out and navigate. A way for them to become like humans.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 23, 2016 20:39:31 GMT
What if the maze isn't a physical place in the park, but rather a level of cognitive and rational thinking that needs to be followed in the host's minds to achieve lifelike realization? It's a mouse maze for them to figure out and navigate. A way for them to become like humans. I think it could be metaphoric, but I also think it will be literal (since this is TV and HBO). ... still liking the idea of the Maze being Disney Underground (the Lost map drove this home as a possibility for me). Maybe a way to navigate to a certain area of the control tunnels? tagging ac of course Map from Lost (one version of it) - reminder there is a JJ Abrams connection
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 23, 2016 20:45:47 GMT
Episode 4 discussion here
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