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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 2, 2016 16:49:38 GMT
I have a feeling I'm not the only one that isn't caught up. Hahaha, either that or there has been a cancellation-threatening drop-off in interest between eps 4 and 5 Too many conflicts on Sunday night I think. Most people probably migrated to The Walking Dead. I hear consistently great opinions from most people though. Except jnr (who does bring up some great points)
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 4, 2016 2:20:09 GMT
Finally finished watching this episode! Best so far! So Dolores is or thinks she's communicating with Arnold. Ford was acting like he's still alive.
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 4, 2016 14:19:57 GMT
Sooo, was Dolores communicating through the satellite feed? Does she have one in her arm? Seems likely.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 5, 2016 1:34:45 GMT
I watched it finally, but need to watch it again. And maybe a third time. LOTS of info there!
I think this episode caused the "William is the MiB 30 years ago" theory to gain some traction. Even if that doesn't pan out, I am now 100% convinced that we are seeing different timelines in action - the question is, which of Dolores' plots are in the present?
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Post by ac on Nov 5, 2016 2:26:31 GMT
Sooo, was Dolores communicating through the satellite feed? Does she have one in her arm? Seems likely. I could be wrong but wasn't Dolores "talking" to Arnold whilst she was inside the bunker / control centre? If that's right she wouldn't be able to use the laser satellite communicator. I think this episode caused the "William is the MiB 30 years ago" theory to gain some traction. Even if that doesn't pan out, I am now 100% convinced that we are seeing different timelines in action - the question is, which of Dolores' plots are in the present? I am at least 80% convinced William = MiB and 95% that Dolores' timeline with William is the past vs her chats with Bernard, and now Ford, that are in the present.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 5, 2016 2:43:11 GMT
Dolores' timeline with William is the past vs her chats with Bernard, and now Ford, that are in the present I'm leaning this way myself. The Lawerence/El Lazo dichotomy convinced me of that. Now I'm wondering if past-Dolores was actually the host-instigator of the last uprising 30 years ago. Definitely need a rewatch though, this time with notepad in hand!
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Post by min on Nov 5, 2016 20:23:58 GMT
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Post by ac on Nov 5, 2016 20:42:19 GMT
I'll have to watch that video again when I have more time to comment. First watch hasn't changed my mind though.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 5, 2016 21:09:55 GMT
You know what made me 95% sure William is the MiB? The nitroglycerin in the corpses, and the evidence of some sort of conflagration back in the town with the church. I think it works. Also that the MiB thought he needed Lawrence - who is obviously central to the upcoming explosive cadaver plot. hrm!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 5, 2016 21:47:55 GMT
Yeah, I think I said in one of the earlier threads that there's a good deal of detail to support the Multiple Timeline Theory (MTT), but the details that contradict it seem to REALLY contradict it. I personally think we have at least four timelines running concurrently: Dolores with William/far past, Dolores with Bernard-who-is-actually-Arnold/far past, Dolores with Bernard-who-is-Arnold's-android-clone/recent past, and Dolores with MiB/current.
That's right, I'm back to the "Bernard is totally a host but is also Arnold!" version of crazy again.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 5, 2016 21:49:57 GMT
Dolores with Bernard-who-is-actually-Arnold/far past, Dolores with Bernard-who-is-Arnold's-android-clone/recent past
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 5, 2016 22:06:40 GMT
IKR? Like, put the crack pipe down, there!
Seriously though... I think Bernard in the present is an android...but was originally Ford's partner Arnold. I think Ford remade his friend into his right-hand man.
So many things point to Bernard being a host and having scripted memories...but then he has so many things in common with Arnold as well. Don't you think it's strange that Bernard is Ford's go-to guy, but knows nothing about the park's founder? Or that on the one hand he's supporting Ford's developments and squashing Elsie's attempts to investigate the glitches, but on the other is having backstage convos with Dolores about the maze?
But what about that photo that Ford showed Bernard of the two founders together? Well, remember what happened when Dolores looked at the photo her father found? "It doesn't look like anything to me." The hosts see only what they're programmed to see. And if Ford can basically stop time and manipulate landscapes and snakes and stuff with the twitch of a finger, who's to say that he can't make Bernard see some random dude instead of himself in a picture?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 5, 2016 22:13:49 GMT
who's to say that he can make Bernard see some random dude instead of himself in a picture? ... or that the implanted consciousness must necessarily match Arnold's original appearance? Arnold could even be Dolores now, for example. An aside, I wanted to point out that the MiB knows Boy is a host. Otherwise he wouldn't have considered him for Teddy's transfusion. Imma go ahead and tie that into Boy originally being a victim in Town. Ford awakens his memory of Town, then warns him against revisiting it.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 5, 2016 22:22:10 GMT
Imma go ahead and tie that into Boy originally being a victim in Town. Ford awakens his memory of Town, then warns him against revisiting it. He has to be connected to Ford in some way, too, given the English accent and the black/white short suit. If he was a Townie, he was important to Ford somehow.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 5, 2016 22:26:35 GMT
Just occurred to me that the coffins would be heading to a graveyard. In Wild West times, that would be a churchyard.
Nitro-cadavers and a town with a white church with a steeple then - barren landscape with the charred steeple now.
yada yada
Dolores and William are heading towards the fate of the Town, and that should establish that Ford and Boy were looking at the far past.
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