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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 5:00:03 GMT
Yeah, that was my guess for the host that was "printing". And I'm thinking some actual DNA might be used in the hosts somehow. Was Ford being literal about the blood sacrifice? If you read the Delos terms and conditions etc it has a section in which human body fluids etc that are left at the park can be used by the company. There are theories that the company uses that DNA to help form their hosts.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 16, 2016 11:52:39 GMT
And I'm thinking some actual DNA might be used in the hosts somehow. Was Ford being literal about the blood sacrifice? If you read the Delos terms and conditions etc it has a section in which human body fluids etc that are left at the park can be used by the company. There are theories that the company uses that DNA to help form their hosts. Oh I agree. They're hosts... for someone's DNA. They're basically clones at this point.
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Post by ac on Nov 16, 2016 14:55:34 GMT
Once Bernard bot didn't see the door I was like, "oh my God, oh my God, oh my god!" I gotta say Anthony Hopkins was amazing! Same here. I'm actually surprised they didn't string this one out a little bit longer. If you read the Delos terms and conditions etc it has a section in which human body fluids etc that are left at the park can be used by the company. There are theories that the company uses that DNA to help form their hosts. Oh I agree. They're hosts... for someone's DNA. They're basically clones at this point. I think this makes sense. It must be way easier to use some base DNA (or stem cells or something) than create everything from scratch. A few open questions for me: - Are the hosts brains still computers? Presumably they're not communicating wirelessly with genetic material!
- What does it mean that Dolores was the other blueprint that Bernard saw before his own
- What are the corporation using / planning to use the "host software" for
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Post by snowfyre on Nov 16, 2016 15:09:25 GMT
Trompe L'Oeil? Really? Lol. Cracks me up. Maybe I ought to watch this show. (Some day.)
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 16, 2016 15:10:17 GMT
Are the hosts brains still computers? Presumably they're not communicating wirelessly with genetic material! What does it mean that Dolores was the other blueprint that Bernard saw before his own What are the corporation using / planning to use the "host software" for Considering that Sylvester lobotomized Clementine with what looked like a fancy philips-head screwdriver, there has to be something artificial implanted in the brain. Which brings me to your third point. If the implants are used on what are essentially clones with normal "wetware" brains, then they're used for mind control. Big stuff with big applications in the "real world." Further I think it was implied (?) that organ cloning or production is a thing back "on Earth." So why not use the combo of organ cloning and hosting DNA to go the whole 9 yards and offer human cloning. Which brings me to your second point. They've already done that, so Dolores was someone in their real lives. I think most of them were. Theresa keeps bringing up "grudges" which they proved with Clementine beating up the tech. Well maybe the grudges are from before they became hosts.
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 16, 2016 15:21:48 GMT
Trompe L'Oeil? Really? Lol. Cracks me up. Maybe I ought to watch this show. (Some day.) I never thought to try to decipher the titles. Trompe L'Oeil is an art technique that uses realistic imagery to create the optical illusion that the depicted objects exist in three dimensions. Bernard was obviously a Trompe L'Oeil to Theresa!
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 16, 2016 15:26:26 GMT
"Fool the Eye" heh
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Post by ac on Nov 16, 2016 15:45:17 GMT
Considering that Sylvester lobotomized Clementine with what looked like a fancy philips-head screwdriver, there has to be something artificial implanted in the brain. Which brings me to your third point. If the implants are used on what are essentially clones with normal "wetware" brains, then they're used for mind control. Big stuff with big applications in the "real world." Didn't one of the techs tell Maeve that her brain was way more powerful than a human's but the problem was that humans could control the hosts. So either the implant has a triple supercharger / control / mass storage (backup) function or that part of the hosts is still a machine (of course you might then argue that that IS a host and the organic body is just a vessel - like a inverted Krang from TMNT ). Further I think it was implied (?) that organ cloning or production is a thing back "on Earth." So why not use the combo of organ cloning and hosting DNA to go the whole 9 yards and offer human cloning. I think this is quite likely and that the business case for the host's R&D is the transfer of a human's consciousness into a new clone body. Which allows me to segue nicely into a crackpot of mine that Ford has already achieved this goal...and done it to himself! My biggest reason for thinking this is how he is able to control the hosts without even speaking and over large distances. I'm definitely going to have to get round to doing a re-watch of all the episodes.
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Post by snowfyre on Nov 16, 2016 15:47:44 GMT
Trompe L'Oeil is an art technique that uses realistic imagery to create the optical illusion that the depicted objects exist in three dimensions. Bernard was obviously a Trompe L'Oeil to Theresa! Uh huh. And the literary equivalent would be something like... "R+L=J."
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Nov 16, 2016 23:00:59 GMT
I knew it,i fucking knew it.Didn't want to believe they'd go there.I had my suspicions with his dreams about his son and wife.It reminded me of Maeve's With her daughter in her one life.
I'm glad they did a wide shot of the kill though....Danm! Hat tip to Ford.
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Post by cooterian15 on Nov 20, 2016 13:11:05 GMT
Glad to see the gang is still here!
Been on a little bit of a hiatus with work consuming all of my resources, with the one exception of Sunday evenings and my one hour steal away to Westworld. Side note: just read where they have renewed for Season 2.
So it appears we have multiple timelines (2 maybe 3), which would certainly explain a lot of things. I have a few questions and some comments, so here comes my stream of consciousness:
1. If William is the MiB, then why the harsh treatment of Dolores in the first two episodes (dragging her by the hair to the barn to get reacquainted). 2. In Ford's little lab, Theresa found three blueprints. I presume the first one was the boy that is running around and then there was Bernard. The middle blueprint was labeled Dolores but that really didn't look like Evan Rachael Wood. 3. I guess we don't know yet what happened to Elsie (getting grabbed from behind). 4. Going back to the multiple timelines, I suspect that would imply that we have only seen Ford in the present timeline, or did I miss something? 5. Speaking of Ford, Hopkins performance in the E7 was spectacular. I've watched this damn seen 5 times over the course of the past week. His character is something between the cross of Hannibal Lecter and Victor Frankenstein.
Anyway, I'm glad to be back among cyber friends.
mace
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 20, 2016 13:13:19 GMT
Glad to see the gang is still here! Good to see you back! cheers mace I have a few thoughts on all that but I'm only on my first cup of coffee
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 20, 2016 13:24:15 GMT
1. If William is the MiB, then why the harsh treatment of Dolores in the first two episodes (dragging her by the hair to the barn to get reacquainted). 2. In Ford's little lab, Theresa found three blueprints. I presume the first one was the boy that is running around and then there was Bernard. The middle blueprint was labeled Dolores but that really didn't look like Evan Rachael Wood. 3. I guess we don't know yet what happened to Elsie (getting grabbed from behind). 4. Going back to the multiple timelines, I suspect that would imply that we have only seen Ford in the present timeline, or did I miss something? 5. Speaking of Ford, Hopkins performance in the E7 was spectacular. I've watched this damn seen 5 times over the course of the past week. His character is something between the cross of Hannibal Lecter and Victor Frankenstein. 1. If Dolores is a "sleeper" agent for destruction at the behest of Arnold, who knows what she might have done to William over the course of 30-35 years? If he fell in love with her, then had to accept her as non-human over the course of that time, it makes sense he could be so anti-empathetic in later years. And he may know she holds a secret, something like the skullcap maze. Brandishing the bowie knife implies that to me. Also, saying they need to get re-acquainted implies that at some point they were acquainted, heh 2. The faces all looked sort of generic to me. Bernard's was recognizable because of the hair/beard. 3. Nope! 4. I tend to agree we only see Ford within the present timeline or at most within a few years. EXCEPT if he cloned himself, and what we're looking at now is an ageless host. But I think people would notice if he looked 70 for all those years. So... anyway, no you didn't miss anything. 5. I had my doubts about him, I admit it, but he's blowing me away with his performance.
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Post by ac on Nov 20, 2016 17:37:00 GMT
1. If William is the MiB, then why the harsh treatment of Dolores in the first two episodes (dragging her by the hair to the barn to get reacquainted). 2. In Ford's little lab, Theresa found three blueprints. I presume the first one was the boy that is running around and then there was Bernard. The middle blueprint was labeled Dolores but that really didn't look like Evan Rachael Wood. 3. I guess we don't know yet what happened to Elsie (getting grabbed from behind). 4. Going back to the multiple timelines, I suspect that would imply that we have only seen Ford in the present timeline, or did I miss something? 5. Speaking of Ford, Hopkins performance in the E7 was spectacular. I've watched this damn seen 5 times over the course of the past week. His character is something between the cross of Hannibal Lecter and Victor Frankenstein. 1. My theory is that Dolores is the cause of the "incident" 30 years ago that the MiB says he stopped (when talking to Ford in the bar). 4. There was a flashback in episode 3 were we see a young Ford. I think the flashback was to the pre-launch days of the park. Here's some images
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Post by cooterian15 on Nov 20, 2016 18:34:40 GMT
I've noticed this as well. He can wave his hand and stop a snake in mid stream, or point a finger and they piano starts playing by itself. Your theory of him already achieving the transfer may also explain why there is an image of person at the middle of the maze.
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