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Post by cooterian15 on Nov 20, 2016 18:36:48 GMT
Considering that Sylvester lobotomized Clementine with what looked like a fancy philips-head screwdriver, there has to be something artificial implanted in the brain. Which brings me to your third point. If the implants are used on what are essentially clones with normal "wetware" brains, then they're used for mind control. Big stuff with big applications in the "real world." Didn't one of the techs tell Maeve that her brain was way more powerful than a human's but the problem was that humans could control the hosts. So either the implant has a triple supercharger / control / mass storage (backup) function or that part of the hosts is still a machine (of course you might then argue that that IS a host and the organic body is just a vessel - like a inverted Krang from TMNT ). Further I think it was implied (?) that organ cloning or production is a thing back "on Earth." So why not use the combo of organ cloning and hosting DNA to go the whole 9 yards and offer human cloning. I think this is quite likely and that the business case for the host's R&D is the transfer of a human's consciousness into a new clone body. Which allows me to segue nicely into a crackpot of mine that Ford has already achieved this goal...and done it to himself! My biggest reason for thinking this is how he is able to control the hosts without even speaking and over large distances.I'm definitely going to have to get round to doing a re-watch of all the episodes. Going to have to get use to all of the editing functions again. In my previous post I was responding to ac.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 20, 2016 18:39:20 GMT
EXCEPT if he cloned himself, and what we're looking at now is an ageless host. But I think people would notice if he looked 70 for all those years. Quoting myself. If Ford is capable of the maintenance of the Host Ford family, there is no reason he wouldn't be capable of changing their appearance if he chose to. He hasn't, but he could. And of course he could, he designed everything.My point being that he has the ability to age the appearance of a host, should he choose to. A further point would be that a host could "operate" on themselves if need be. Ergo Ford could very well be a host of himself, deliberating aging his appearance all these years. /crackpot
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Post by Ser Duncan on Nov 20, 2016 19:05:34 GMT
Finally caught up on the last two episodes.
It occurred to me that William may not be the MiB in a future timeline, but rather his brother in law to be, Logan, is the MiB. Last episode he made some crack about William always wearing the white hat, and how he'll never amount to anything in the company because of his not letting loose. His line of dialogue and his little smile at William when he runs off with Dolores makes me wonder if he's not a young version of the MiB. It would also account for his less than kind re-acquaintance with her in the future, since she and William left him to take a beating. Mind you, I'm not entirely convinced we are seeing two different timelines play out. The additions to the narrative of the Ghost Nation is one that we saw presented to Ford during the present day, so unless all of it is reversed, then we're dealing with one timeline.
I would also imagine that the 3d printer was making a new Theresa. All Ford would have to do is keep the host around long enough to have her take the fall for all the stuff that's going wrong. Even if he keeps her around for a few years, I would think no one would notice her lack of ageing if it's not a prolonged period of time. Then she leaves in disgrace and is never heard from again. Quite a way to get away with murder. I wonder how many more 'employees' have been silenced this way?
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Post by ac on Nov 20, 2016 19:07:00 GMT
Your theory of him already achieving the transfer may also explain why there is an image of person at the middle of the maze. Ah, could be. I have been reading that as "humanity" for the hosts lies at the center of the maze.
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Post by ac on Nov 20, 2016 19:12:11 GMT
EXCEPT if he cloned himself, and what we're looking at now is an ageless host. But I think people would notice if he looked 70 for all those years. Quoting myself. If Ford is capable of the maintenance of the Host Ford family, there is no reason he wouldn't be capable of changing their appearance if he chose to. He hasn't, but he could. And of course he could, he designed everything.My point being that he has the ability to age the appearance of a host, should he choose to. A further point would be that a host could "operate" on themselves if need be. Ergo Ford could very well be a host of himself, deliberating aging his appearance all these years. /crackpot Well if the hosts are organic they "should" age. I don't think we know how long ago they converted the hosts from purely mechanical to organic? Also, if all disease has been cured (anyone know if this is speculation or fact?) then presumably humans don't age anymore.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 20, 2016 19:15:34 GMT
Been meaning to get back to this but life & a head cold have made that not happen...
What I found odd about the last 2 eps was that 1) Ford says ARNOLD made the Ford family bots that Bernard discovered, but 2) FORD seems to be really invested in Bernard and current Dolores. I mean, if Bernard is the droid version of Arnold (which I think is likely), did Arnold make Berndroid in his own image, or did Ford build Berndroid himself? It seems obvious to me now that Bernarnold made the original Dolores that was responsible for *whatever* 30 years ago, but did Ford "remake" her? There's the blueprints in the secret room, and of course Ford looking through the diary, the bust of Dolores in the glass case in his office, etc.
I wonder if Ford is controlling the current Dolores - she can't really be trusted now by the Arnold AI or whatever, hence why Maeve is now the one waking up and becoming the self-aware badass.
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Post by ac on Nov 20, 2016 19:18:10 GMT
It occurred to me that William may not be the MiB in a future timeline, but rather his brother in law to be, Logan, is the MiB. Last episode he made some crack about William always wearing the white hat, and how he'll never amount to anything in the company because of his not letting loose. His line of dialogue and his little smile at William when he runs off with Dolores makes me wonder if he's not a young version of the MiB. It would also account for his less than kind re-acquaintance with her in the future, since she and William left him to take a beating. I think this a possibility but my biggest question would be where is William in the modern timeline? Unless they plan on killing him off during the "incident" you would expect such a major character to appear in both timelines.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Nov 20, 2016 19:28:05 GMT
I think this a possibility but my biggest question would be where is William in the modern timeline? Unless they plan on killing him off during the "incident" you would expect such a major character to appear in both timelines. I guess I would answer that by asking in return -- how do we know he isn't in the modern timeline? Who's this board they're always talking about? Say William is just William and as of this last episode, he doesn't marry Logan's sister. He leaves their company and joins the Delos company instead. According to Logan, W did work his arse off to get where he is in their company, but he lacks the killer instinct to run the place. Now, with his falling in love with Dolores, maybe he chooses not to continue there?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 20, 2016 20:54:54 GMT
I'm gonna slide sideways a bit.
If Dolores doesn't get killed/damaged and if a guest is keeping her as part of his guest experience, she doesn't get taken "downstairs" for maintenance does she?
In her usual loop, she wakes up, then talks to dad on the porch, to town and running into Teddy, ending up at the ranch when either guests/hosts are raping and pillaging or the MiB drags her into the barn. So in her usual loop, she's "alive" for only a day.
Instead with William, it's already been at least three nights for Dolores from what I can count: the night by the campfire, the night in town, then the night on the train. She hasn't been taken downstairs for repairs, and her memory has not been cleared - I suppose for continuity for William's guest experience.
It's something like the way the MiB is so intent on keeping Teddy alive. He knows he'd have to go back to the start of Teddy's usual loop? Just as he says to Lawrence "someone will be along shortly to get you" he knows they all have loops.
Seems like he had to wait a long time to remove Teddy from his loop, now he'll be damned if he loses him and has to start again?
So consider all the possibilities that William needs to go through with Dolores. She gets killed, and goes back to the start of her loop with no memory. He leaves the park, then returns to find her at the start of her loop with no memory. Or he comes back to find her already engaged with another guest.
The MiB (and/or William) has to go through this with Dolores for 30 years.
Crazytown.
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