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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 21, 2016 3:19:30 GMT
Here we are, and wow... this show is blowing my mind. Totally unpredictable.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 21, 2016 5:26:09 GMT
Gonna have to come back to this later - Berndroid's flash during his "Have I ever killed anyone else" moment - dark hair. Was that Elsie? If so, does that confirm my "there's more than one" theory? I need to watch that episode again; I was sure that she just got off the phone with Bernard in his office when she was grabbed.
Also, the MiB and "It's you". However, confirms that OldMaeve's daughter narrative was in the recent past, like a year ago.
Anyone notice that Dolores' viewpoint of the original park (the way-wayback past) was the same viewpoint that we saw when Ford was flashing back in convo with Berndroid? Same perspective. Interesting. Need to rewatch these segments.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 21, 2016 5:37:26 GMT
I believe so, and hrm. I need a rewatch of the whole series because I was looking at IMBD and I see that the young "Charlie" actor from last week is the same boy who Dolores meets when she's painting back in Ep 1. Lots of throat slashing this week eh?
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 21, 2016 6:16:19 GMT
How could Bernard grab Elsie when he was talking to her on the phone while he was with Theresa?
Maeve was so traumatized when the MiB killed her daughter that it reconfigured her hard drive. Even though Ford wiped her memory, it somehow remained.
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Post by cooterian15 on Nov 21, 2016 11:57:57 GMT
After this episode I can now see that I will be the last one to know what is going on.
Some Pig No Doubt....what is your theory on "there is more than one"....or more appropriate, what led you to conjure this theory? Seems plausible as the Bernard flashback also made me think of Elsie.
Noticed that Clem's replacement was Proctor's niece from the series Banshee (Lili Simmons). I guess it's only a matter of time before she show's up in her birthday suit. Will be curious to see if she is wearing a prosthetic like Maeve and Clem.
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 21, 2016 12:59:18 GMT
Maeve is wearing a prosthetic? We see her naked every week and it's not really her? Man, special effects are so talented!
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Post by cooterian15 on Nov 21, 2016 13:28:02 GMT
Maeve is wearing a prosthetic? We see her naked every week and it's not really her? Man, special effects are so talented! Those breasts and nipples we see every week does not match what google suggests that Thandie Newton's breasts and nipples look like. I'm assuming the same goes for Clem, which also reminds me that Hodor (GOT) is also wearing a prosthetic when he emerges from a swim and confronts Bran and Osha during the TV show. Besides, having these actresses (and actors) walk around in the nude would be asking a little much. Fairly certain I couldn't do it, which is why they get paid the big bucks!!!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 21, 2016 16:01:13 GMT
How could Bernard grab Elsie when he was talking to her on the phone while he was with Theresa? That's what makes me think there are multiple versions of Bernard walking around - they all have the same core programming/knowledge but can act independently; they are blocked from sharing certain "memory functions", but CAN if something glitches. Berndroid #1 flashing to Elsie is IMO him backdoor-accessing Berndroid #2's memory. I mean, if "Bernard" is basically a walking computer - wetware, as WeaselPie says - then one of them, the original, is the mainframe/CPU and any others would be part of its peripheral network. If he Berndroid flash is NOT Elsie, then the only other person I could think of with dark hair like that is the woman from Abernathy's photograph (who I believe to be William's fiance, btw). Some Pig No Doubt....what is your theory on "there is more than one"....or more appropriate, what led you to conjure this theory? Seems plausible as the Bernard flashback also made me think of Elsie. Mace, in the Ep6 recap thread, I noted that Bernard went through multiple outfit changes during the course of the show. To me, that confirmed there were multiple non-linear timelines in play, but there was something else - most of Bernard's scenes were constructed to reflect "current day", and implied that actions were happening progressively: Bernard goes to the basement, Bernard and Theresa break up, Bernard asks Security about Sector 17, Bernard goes to Ford's secret familybot hidey hole, etc. However...if you look at his clothing in each of these scenarios, it is different each time. Now, this could mean that all these scenes are playing out over a longer stretch of time like a week or two, BUT...I think there's reason to believe that some of these scenes are happening concurrently because there is more than one Bernard. Then, Ep7 confirms that Bernard is in fact a host - and last night's ep confirms that Berndroid was made in secret by Ford. If Ford can make one Berndroid, he can make another.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Nov 21, 2016 20:23:55 GMT
Ok so Maeve can change the narrative with her mind, just like Ford and the other programmers/creators can. Is Ford a host? Is this entire world, labs and all, Arnold's experiment?
And again the MiB's dialogue about this place showing you who you really are, is exactly what Logan said to William as they entered the park.
I think it's clear that was some form of Bernard that killed Elsie. How he could be talking to her at the same time is confusing, but does he have to physically be talking with her at the moment in order for his voice to come through her phone/tablet? The memory of his speaking to her could've been added later by Ford to give some credibility to the lie he just told Bernard about not having killed anyone else.
I feel like a mental patient trying to make sense out of Rorschach blots here.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Nov 21, 2016 20:25:42 GMT
Noticed that Clem's replacement was Proctor's niece from the series Banshee (Lili Simmons). Thank you! It was driving me mad trying to remember where I'd seen her before.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Nov 21, 2016 22:47:57 GMT
Returning to the idea of multiple Berndroids for a sec....
So, over the course of the show we've seen Bernard act two different ways with Elsie: on one hand he's telling her not to dig too deeply into the glitching, Orion's belt has 4 stars, etc - more or less discouraging her for poking around into the deeper mysteries. On the other, there's the Bernard that is all over her discovery of the satellite feed, getting info from the basement for her, supporting her side trip to Sector 3.
In some instances, Bernard is clearly on Ford's side. In others, he seems to be quietly working against Ford, or at least trying to get to the bottom of what Ford's really up to.
After seeing him flash to Elsie, who we know was jumped on in Sector 3, I'm wondering....is it possible that there's a 'rogue' Berndroid out there doing his own thing? One that might be channeling the Arnold AI and be more or less fully unlocked, like we're seeing with Maeve? I need to go back and pay close attention to sequencing, because I'm mulling over the idea that *a* Bernard did indeed grab Elsie, but not to harm her....it's a Bernard that will help her. Think about it - her super sleuthing skills aren't turning up all these clues. She's being led to these clues.
Anyway, I think there's a chance that Elsie will resurface, very much alive. Berndroid and Ford may need to believe that she's been dispatched, though.
Crazy, I know.
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 22, 2016 1:17:30 GMT
Ok so Maeve can change the narrative with her mind, just like Ford and the other programmers/creators can. Is Ford a host? Is this entire world, labs and all, Arnold's experiment? And again the MiB's dialogue about this place showing you who you really are, is exactly what Logan said to William as they entered the park. I think it's clear that was some form of Bernard that killed Elsie. How he could be talking to her at the same time is confusing, but does he have to physically be talking with her at the moment in order for his voice to come through her phone/tablet? The memory of his speaking to her could've been added later by Ford to give some credibility to the lie he just told Bernard about not having killed anyone else. I feel like a mental patient trying to make sense out of Rorschach blots here. Maeve is changing the narrative through suggestive programming, or is this what you meant? Because it seemed like Ford has other special controls like stopping every host in an area all at once, but maybe there is someone in a control room programming under his direction much like they seem to do when they send in the space suit people when they need to retrieve a host? ...which by the way didn't seem to affect Maeve. She pretended to be frozen in time.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Nov 22, 2016 4:37:26 GMT
Maeve is changing the narrative through suggestive programming, or is this what you meant? Because it seemed like Ford has other special controls like stopping every host in an area all at once While Ford doesn't need to vocalise what he wants, we've seen him give the same type of suggestive programming. Plus, before she started vocalising, Maeve slowed the entire room down, all the hosts and the piano, and if I'm not mistaken she does use hand signals to those outside the saloon as well, just like Ford does. Even if I am wrong the only ones with that kind of power are the other hosts within the company, like Bernard, since everyone else has to use the tablets to stop, reset and rewrite programming. Others humans, that we think are real humans, can use voice commands, but as far as we know, no other employee (human or otherwise) can do that kind of reset without authorisation, not even the techs that gave her the clearance to do so. They can put a host to sleep, but not reset their programming vocally. If that was the case then the techs could've pulled the same trick on her, and others, but as far as I recall no one else but the programmers can do that with voice commands alone.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 22, 2016 4:46:06 GMT
when they send in the space suit people I'm still trying to figure out why they need to wear space suits!
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 22, 2016 13:02:16 GMT
when they send in the space suit people I'm still trying to figure out why they need to wear space suits! Maybe they're concerned about human bodily fluids: blood, semen, and saliva?
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