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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 23, 2017 18:55:26 GMT
In which Daenerys receives an unexpected visitor, Jon faces a revolt, and Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 24, 2017 2:03:39 GMT
Theon is a coward? What kind of arc is that? He helps save Sansa, but leaves his sister to die?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 24, 2017 3:32:38 GMT
Ok, so Littlefinger "I brought his bones back to Winterfell myself" , WTF
And man...that Nymeria scene. I understand what D&D were trying to do here, but jesus...so naïve of them to think they could really capture this on screen. This is when the finesse of the books is sorely needed. (So screw you, GRRM, for dicking around on WildCards, Sad Puppies, the Cocteau, and every other side project that kept us from experiencing this scene in actual words.)
All I could think of during the big battle was how epic this would be with a proper Euron and Silence.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 24, 2017 10:51:34 GMT
And man...that Nymeria scene. What did Arya mean when she said, "wasn't her"? Is it possible Nymeria was confused, because Arya isn't Arya? I rather liked crazy Euron's drawplank landing on Asha's ship.
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Post by cooterian15 on Jul 24, 2017 12:49:09 GMT
And man...that Nymeria scene. What did Arya mean when she said, "wasn't her"? Is it possible Nymeria was confused, because Arya isn't Arya? I rather liked crazy Euron's drawplank landing on Asha's ship. We drew a blank on this one as well. The only conclusion we came to was that it wasn't Nymeria. Is anyone else getting the impression that this season is quickly trying to get to the end? I just feel like they are rushing from one scene to the next and it is leaving things somewhat disjointed...at least for me. As for the sea battle between the Greyjoy's I find it a little hard to believe that Euron's fleet could find and then sneak up on Yara & Theon's fleet for the sneak attack. I realize it was night time so they could have slid in unseen, but how in the hell did those fiery balls find the ships with great accuracy? This sort of leads me into the second question and that is where in the hell were these things being launched....from Euron's ships? I find it hard to believe that you could launch catapults on fire from a ship that had masts the size of a basketball court. Perhaps Euron has platform ships from which to make these launches.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 24, 2017 14:04:09 GMT
Tyrion's character is ruined, and I suspect Sansa's is as well. Brienne and Davos are nothing more than set decoration. And if I never see the impressively annoying Ellaria again, it will be too soon. I hope Cersei kills her in KL - I swear. The Grey Worm love story is the worst decision the writers ever made. It completely breaks any accidentally-still-lingering sense of immersion. And since D&D has chosen gore/gross-out shots as their new gratuitous shock-value, I thought for sure we'd be treated to Grey Worm's scar. In fact - I bet they filmed it and someone with an ounce of sense had it cut. Theon is a coward? What kind of arc is that? It was all so ridiculous, from the stilted Dany audience to Euron's armada - nay his actual ship - sneaking between hundreds of Yara's experienced sailors to catch them unawares and set fire to every single one. At least it saved us from another pandering sex scene. Ok, so Littlefinger "I brought his bones back to Winterfell myself" , WTF How about Jon telling Petry he doesn't belong in the crypts? Heh! Is anyone else getting the impression that this season is quickly trying to get to the end? Yeah, in the first five minutes, I said it was like someone hit a fast-forward button. Shame, because the pacing last week was fantastic. As for the sea battle between the Greyjoy's I find it a little hard to believe that Euron's fleet could find and then sneak up on Yara & Theon's fleet for the sneak attack. Yeah! I was so psyched about Nymeria, I did an air punch and said yessss. Way to screw it up D&D. Why was Arya more friendly to a bunch of strangers last week than she was to Hot Pie? D&D throw in Missandei naked just for the hell of it I guess, but when it comes to Arya reuniting with one of the only people who was ever her friend PLUS her direwolf, they fack it up. Another character ruined. And Jon Snow. I admit I didn't expect him to meet up with Dany until later in the season, like as a finale. He's an idiot and Sansa was right for once.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 24, 2017 14:20:47 GMT
I had a thought about the Nymeria thing. When she says "that wasn't her" maybe she means what she said to Ned "that's not me." That Nymeria's role/destiny was not as "Nymeria - pet of Arya Stark" but as the wild leader she's become? And that Arya needs to let go of her, which of course sucks for the TV version of the story. Arya arriving back at winterfell with a pack of wolves would have been just what the show needed.
It could also have been Arya making the realization that her place isn't at Winterfell, back to a life as a lady. So, a fake out by the writers to delay her arrival at Kings Landing, at the expense of a meaningful inclusion of Nymeria to the story.
I lost a lot of faith in the writers this week.
And this is probably giving the writers too much credit, but in retrospect, the show was very eunuch heavy. Is it some statement about the nature of men? Greyworm proves he can still love, Varys can still be honest and powerful - even without the benefit of a pair of cajones. Some kind statement about the power of women in the show? I can't figure it out. But if so they turned the wrong corner with Theon, who had found his strength again.
I dunno.
One scene I want to rewatch is Sam in the library, and the comments about the title of the book the Maester is writing. Was it about Robert Baratheon? Might turn out to be "The World of Ice and Fire" heh.
And oh come on - the blatant forgiveness of Ellaria and Melisandre for killing little girls while Varys gets slapped around as the scapegoat of wrongdoing. Frankly - stupid, especially considering the girl-power vibe of the meeting. Like I said, I'm glad show!Ellaria will be in Cersei's hands. And I hope Davos gets his revenge on Melisandre when they meet up again, but the way the show is going, there will be some blanket truce between them.
And what's with Jaime being all smarmy with Tarly now? The only plus to that is the role of the Tarlys being important to the story now (heh).
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As a side note, I was rolling my eyes when Qyburn unveiled his version of the Bard's Black Arrow from the Hobbit.
But - I need to mention that I was always suspicious of the phrase "blue flower growing from a chink in the wall", and that the word "chink" always brought to mind the chink in Smaug's armor - the vulnerable spot that Bard hit, killing him. So whether this means something eventually, I have no clue, just made me raise an eyebrow. The larger picture being that the blue flower grows because of a vulnerability (a passage? a faulty ward?) in the wall, and does not literally mean that Jon is the Blue Flower who happens to be at the Wall.
All part of my greater thoughts about a Blue Flower (Stark woman) growing (from becoming pregnant) from (because of) a chink (vulnerability) in the Wall. Lyanna got impregnated by someone/something beyond the wall. /end
Then again, that is literally the story of Bael the Bard. Which points us to Mance Rayder, but that's for another day.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 24, 2017 15:30:26 GMT
Real quick on the subject of Hot Pie/Arya, if you go back and watch that scene, you will see that Arya had basically turned into the Hound. Watch the mannerisms, the non verbal responses, etc. I said as such to Mr. Pig as we were watching.
Next scene, Nymeria shows up to remind Arya of who she is...or rather, who she was. Who they both were once. Nymeria isn't going back to that life; the jury's still out on Arya.
The show screwed this up royally, of course, which is why we desperately need the book to convey the poignancy of this encounter. Sigh.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 24, 2017 17:42:10 GMT
Weasel Pie, you've given me more than a few laughs with your posts! HAR!
Sam's scenes were the most interesting, and I liked that he was willing to attempt to cure Jorah just because he's Jeor's son. Now watch, he'll probably die anyway.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 24, 2017 18:25:33 GMT
Joke seen on FB about the episode:
Life: "slight inconvenience" Me: "pulls a Theon"
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Post by cooterian15 on Jul 24, 2017 18:43:58 GMT
As a side note, I was rolling my eyes when Qyburn unveiled his version of the Bard's Black Arrow from the Hobbit. That's funny, I had the same thought accept a different movie.....Reign of Fire when Van Zan (McConaughey) rolled into town with his troops and the arch angels. I suppose the moral of the story is when faced with fire breathing dragons, build yourself a huge friggin bow and arrow!!! Problem solved. Actually, I wished Qyburn had unveiled a magical horn that he found in the bowels of the Red Keep. The mummer's version just will not get anywhere near the subject of the dragon horn's. Of course, if memory serves me correct isn't that how Dorne managed to kill one of Aegon's dragons during his conquest?
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 24, 2017 19:09:40 GMT
I'm not sure if it's said how dragons have been killed in the past. I thought Dorne evaded being conquering due to the sand desert and being able to hide like ninja's out in the wasteland? I seem to recall discussions that suspected the maesters of finding a way to kill the dragons?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 24, 2017 21:10:47 GMT
Meraxes was brought down by scorpion bolt to the eye, so yes there is historical precedent for the blatant ripoff of the death of Smaug.
That being said, Balerion died of old age, so it gave me the lulz that all the focus with the Black Arrow was on his/its (completely wrong color) skull.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 25, 2017 20:25:28 GMT
I agree with Weasel Pie, that Arya's comment to Nymeria, means that Nymeria had grown beyond being Arya's "pet". Perhaps the only half way decent event in the show.
It put the feminist movement of Westeros back a couple of years, when Asha (or whoever she is on the show) and Ellaria (or whoever she is on the show) were too busy making out and were completely blindsided when a huge fleet of ships ran straight into them. (Freudian?).
Of course it's not like the men of Westeros are really faring much better. I'm not sure who has less of a cock right now, Theon or Jaime. And speaking of which, what exactly is Varys' master plan exactly? Just hanging around whoever is king or queen until he puts his finger in the air, and decides he needs to move on to someone else?
And then Sam's "big reveal". Hey I just read that there is a shitload of dragonglass on Dragon's stone, just like Stannis told me a couple of seasons ago. I guess Sam thought Stannis was just talking out of his ass before?
And I guess no one gives a shit about Jon completely deserting the Night's Watch.
Ugh, I could go on and on.
Tbe only thing that gave me a bit of a chuckle is Dany's line that Dragonstone doesn't feel like home. (Perhaps a bit of a nod to the Lemon Tree theories?) I still think, last week, Sansa's smirk when she tells Jon that he is the most unlike Joffrey of anyone in Westeros, may be a hint about the possibility of Starkcest.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 25, 2017 22:50:48 GMT
were too busy making out and were completely blindsided when a huge fleet of ships ran straight into them. (Freudian?). LOL - ya know, that snaky-dragon shaped gangplank that plonked itself on Yara's ship was pretty phallic now that you mention it. Boy-band Oliver Reed aka Euron took pleasure in his "cockless" jibe at Theon too. I guess no one gives a shit about Jon completely deserting the Night's Watch. Does Sam even know? He's got to. Yeah that bothers me too. Yeah I'd still love it if Dany was the Stark and Jon was the Stormborned Targcest baby, would by hysterical. The show is making a point of the male/female confusion after all, and not just with the language etc.
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