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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jul 26, 2017 1:04:43 GMT
And man...that Nymeria scene. What did Arya mean when she said, "wasn't her"? Is it possible Nymeria was confused, because Arya isn't Arya? I rather liked crazy Euron's drawplank landing on Asha's ship. I think what Arya meant is Nymeria following her (Arya) was no longer the case.That like Arya she ( Nymeria) has changed. D&D's treatment of the Stark's relationship with the Direwolves has always been most disappointing to me.Yeah I understand Dragons are more bang and the Unsullied would wet themselves when they see dragons.I can't even go one with this.They suck.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 1, 2017 15:24:26 GMT
Guys I'm getting worried where the show is going. I kinda brushed off Littlefinger goading Jon with the "as much as I loved your mother" comment. Pretty sure D&D were trying to tell us that Petyr knew something about Lyanna when he was in the crypts the last time around. If Petyr "Doctor Strange" BAELish - named after Bael etc etc - turns out to be Jon's father, wow. Revenge for Brandon and Cat maybe? But I'll forgive them if Petyr also turns out to be the last Reyne.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 1, 2017 19:30:54 GMT
Guys I'm getting worried where the show is going. I kinda brushed off Littlefinger goading Jon with the "as much as I loved your mother" comment. Pretty sure D&D were trying to tell us that Petyr knew something about Lyanna when he was in the crypts the last time around. If Petyr "Doctor Strange" BAELish - named after Bael etc etc - turns out to be Jon's father, wow. Revenge for Brandon and Cat maybe? But I'll forgive them if Petyr also turns out to be the last Reyne. That line gave me pause too, but after thinking about it I decided that this was LF trying to get Jon's goat by referring to Catelyn as his mother. She isn't, of course, and I'm sure he fully realized how much Cat resented Jon and was anything but motherly to him. I think it was a subtle goading (that clearly worked). I could be wrong-this is HBO, after all-but I think this just may be more of their ham-fisted writing rather than plot. I hope.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 2, 2017 17:30:27 GMT
this just may be more of their ham-fisted writing rather than plot. I hope. I hope you're right. But we also had the scene where the Maester mentioned that Luwin always saved all the old scrolls, and LF looked pretty psyched about it. Who knows at this point. Only 4 more eps this season :/ so we'll know soon enough.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 2, 2017 18:32:02 GMT
this just may be more of their ham-fisted writing rather than plot. I hope. I hope you're right. But we also had the scene where the Maester mentioned that Luwin always saved all the old scrolls, and LF looked pretty psyched about it. Who knows at this point. Only 4 more eps this season :/ so we'll know soon enough. I think at one point snowfyre had a theory about Littlefinger being Jon's dad, but I don't remember his line of reasoning. It's not my preferential resolution, but at least it will cause the R + L fanatics' heads to explode.
I'm still really becoming convinced that Brandon was Jon's father, it just makes too much sense for so many different story arcs. We have Ned being haunted over the promise made to Lyanna, the reference that there is a broken promise, Ned's dream in the Winterfell crypts where the dire wolves are snarling at him, the winter kings are looking at him disapprovingly, and Lyanna is crying tears of blood reminding him of the promise. This dream coming right after his meeting with Cersei where he threatens to reveal her incest secret to King Rob. Then we have Jon's dreams of coveting Winterfell and his guilty fantasies of killing Ned and Robb to obtain it. And then we have Cat's hatred of Jon as someone who is a threat to her children's inheritance. Jon as the first born son of the first born son of House Stark makes a lot of sense for all of these story arcs.
Conveniently it is made known that incest is considered an abomination both with the New gods and the old gods. It just gives another reason for Ned to keep Jon's parentage a secret. It's obvious that Ned isn't concerned about Jon's safety with Robert, because Ned is thrilled when he hears the news of Robert coming to Winterfell and makes no attempt to send Jon elsewhere or to hide him. But when Cat first started to ask him about the rumors of Ashara being Jon's mother, Ned becomes extremely angry and secretive. Ned's concern isn't protecting Jon from Robert, it's protecting Jon from Cat.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 2, 2017 22:18:40 GMT
I'm still really becoming convinced that Brandon was Jon's father, it just makes too much sense for so many different story arcs. We have Ned being haunted over the promise made to Lyanna, the reference that there is a broken promise, Ned's dream in the Winterfell crypts where the dire wolves are snarling at him, the winter kings are looking at him disapprovingly, and Lyanna is crying tears of blood reminding him of the promise. This dream coming right after his meeting with Cersei where he threatens to reveal her incest secret to King Rob. Then we have Jon's dreams of coveting Winterfell and his guilty fantasies of killing Ned and Robb to obtain it. And then we have Cat's hatred of Jon as someone who is a threat to her children's inheritance. Jon as the first born son of the first born son of House Stark makes a lot of sense for all of these story arcs.
Conveniently it is made known that incest is considered an abomination both with the New gods and the old gods. It just gives another reason for Ned to keep Jon's parentage a secret. It's obvious that Ned isn't concerned about Jon's safety with Robert, because Ned is thrilled when he hears the news of Robert coming to Winterfell and makes no attempt to send Jon elsewhere or to hide him. But when Cat first started to ask him about the rumors of Ashara being Jon's mother, Ned becomes extremely angry and secretive. Ned's concern isn't protecting Jon from Robert, it's protecting Jon from Cat. I'm getting on board with this, because I think all "Brandons" are one big Brandon in the end. When creepy showBran commented on Sansa's white wedding dress, it made me think of bookLyanna's bloody white gown with the laurel of blue roses - showSansa wore blue roses on her dress early in the show. I had a whacked part of Bran the Timelord being that Bran uses Hodor to get romantic - since we're starting to see that part of bookBran at least. But why not Brandon? Why not warg his strong powerful namesake instead? If Bran inhabits Brandon, there might be some sense to Brandon storming King's Landing the way he did. Would make sense for Bran (warged in Howland) to meet Lyanna, leading to Knight of the Laughing Tree. And that might even make sense for why Rhaegar gave the laurel to Lyanna but I can't work it out exactly right now. Possibly that Rhaegar knew a prophecy about this double Stark being born - etc etc - as a foil to the double fire Targ.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 4, 2017 3:07:34 GMT
I'm still really becoming convinced that Brandon was Jon's father, it just makes too much sense for so many different story arcs. Just noticed Jon's costume on Dragonstone. Behold the Smooching Stark Sigl:
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 4, 2017 12:45:44 GMT
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 4, 2017 14:08:16 GMT
Not ALL readers are gonna be surprised , heh
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 4, 2017 19:28:26 GMT
The fandom would combust. I love it.
If I can ever muster the motivation to finish my latest ( and maybe last) Marvel theory, I might be able to show how the timeline problem can be resolved-- that is, how a dead Brandon Stark could have fathered a child born near the end of the war.
That also makes me think of the weird one-off quote from Littlefinger in AGOT about "Brandon moldering in his grave for some 14 years now" .... which is weird considering that it is year 298 and 14 years prior would put Brandon's death in 284, 2 years after he was believed to have died.
Could be just a goof, but it could also be something more...magical.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 4, 2017 22:22:42 GMT
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 5, 2017 17:59:30 GMT
That also makes me think of the weird one-off quote from Littlefinger in AGOT about "Brandon moldering in his grave for some 14 years now" .... which is weird considering that it is year 298 and 14 years prior would put Brandon's death in 284, 2 years after he was believed to have died. So - LF hired a faceless man to kill then impersonate Brandon? Who then raped Lyanna for revenge? Random batshit idea. But, if we have the "child of three" thing from Dany, then I've always believed one parent was skingchanged/warged or an FM, so it adds up to the three parents. Could be the same thing with Jon OR the statement is referring to Jon.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 6, 2017 16:26:42 GMT
The fandom would combust. I love it. If I can ever muster the motivation to finish my latest ( and maybe last) Marvel theory, I might be able to show how the timeline problem can be resolved-- that is, how a dead Brandon Stark could have fathered a child born near the end of the war. That also makes me think of the weird one-off quote from Littlefinger in AGOT about "Brandon moldering in his grave for some 14 years now" .... which is weird considering that it is year 298 and 14 years prior would put Brandon's death in 284, 2 years after he was believed to have died. Could be just a goof, but it could also be something more...magical. Of course, we can't necessarily assume that Jon was born at the end of the war, can we? In fact we really don't know when Jon was conceived. We have a SSM where Martin said that Jon's birth was 8 to 9 months before Dany's birth. So if Dany was in fact conceived when Aerys raped Rahella (or whoever) then Jon's birth occurs sometime before the Battle of the Trident, because Jaime was standing guard with Jon Darry (who later died at the Trident). But of course this assumes that Dany was conceived at that point. If Dany wasn't born at Dragonstone, then this really calls into question when either Dany or Jon was born. Interestingly, the rumor around Winterfell seems to imply that the Winterfell "staff" thinks that Jon was conceived at the Harrenhal tourney: While Cat seems to think that Jon was conceived by Ned after their marriage (and conception of Robb), it appears the household staff seems to think that Jon was conceived earlier than Robb, in fact much earlier. They think he was conceived while Brandon was still alive, and during the False Spring. Which means that they think Jon was conceived at a time when Brandon and Lyanna were probably still together in Winterfell, or the Rills, or the Eyrie. My guess is Cat had very little interaction with Jon at Winterfell, and Cat has a very big motivation in believing (and making everyone else believe) that Ned fathered Jon after their marriage and after they conceived Robb. Because no matter the truth of who Ned fathered Jon with, if Jon is ever legitimized he becomes a threat to Catelyn's children's claim to Winterfell. So Cat convinces herself that Robb is Ned's oldest child, despite what the rumors around Winterfell, and her own eyes may tell he otherwise.
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