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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 31, 2016 17:56:06 GMT
Quote from Jojen, "The wolf dreams are no true dreams. You have your eye closed tight whenever you're awake, but as you drift off it flutters open and your soul seeks out its other half."
He is clearly telling Bran that his third eye is used to become one with the wolf. Bran needs to do this when awake and alert. Tis about the power to use the third eye and the power of the user. Some skinchnagers have one animal, some have more, some have wolves and some siinchangers can go beyond this. If they are great enough they can use the trees and then go beyond even that. They can fly.
I want to say it's all about death and in a way it is. Death and life and the in between. To free ones soul from its home or vessel. Skinchangers and greenseers share vessels and make a new place to dwell in. And sometimes (Bran' spirit flight) they can go beyond these physical dwelling places. I think this would mean death if there was nothing to anchor to, and when Bran has his coma vision he is more free than even Bloodraven is in his weirwood throne. He is very close to never returning.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 31, 2016 18:42:08 GMT
Jojen was trying to get Bran to understand that wolf dreams were evidence that he was a warg. When he was asleep his third eye fluttered open and he entered Summer. Jojen was trying to get Bran to understand that this is something he could consciously learn to do while awake.
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Post by nanother on Apr 1, 2016 18:56:13 GMT
WTF. How in the seven hells did I not notice that before Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Post by min on Jul 20, 2016 0:28:38 GMT
"A weirwood. It seemed to sprout from solid rock, its pale roots twisting up from a myriad of fissures and hairline cracks. The tree was slender compared to other weirdwoods he had seen, no more than a sapling, yet it was growing as he watched, its limbs thickening as they reached for the sky. Wary, he circled the smooth white trunk until he came to the face. Red eyes looked at him. Fierce eyes they were, yet glad to see him. The weirdwood had his brother's face. Had his brother always had three eyes? Not always, came the silent shout. Not before the crow. He sniffed at the bark, smelled wolf and tree and boy, but behind that there were other scents, the rich brown smell of warm earth and the hard grey smell of stone and something else, something terrible. Death, he knew. He was smelling death. He cringed back, his hair bristling, and bared his fangs." - ACOK, Jon Hah - I just figured out how to use quick quote. Here in the chill damp darkness of the tomb his third eye had finally opened. He could reach Summer whenever he wanted, and once he had even touched Ghost and talked to Jon. Though maybe he had only dreamed that. He could not understand why Jojen was always trying to pull him back now. Bran used the strength of his arms to squirm to a sitting position. "I have to tell Osha what I saw. Is she here? Where did she go?" The 3EC pecks at Bran's forehead and as Bran states; he didn't have a third eye until then. Then wierBran touches Ghost to talk to Jon. Jon then sees the Wildling vision, a worldview vision akin to Bran's 3EC worldview vision. How is this significant and different from other wargs/skinchangers? That's what is throwing me off. What amuses me is that the Wildlings are not only preparing for war but looking for the Horn of Joramun. In the previous POV, while preparing the climb the "mountain who is your mother"; Stonesnake and the Halfhand consider the Wildlings they are about to ambush: "They'll have a horn," said Stonesnake. The Halfhand said, "A horn they must not blow." (What's not so amusing is the Bael-ish the Bard story.)
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 20, 2016 1:52:19 GMT
The 3EC pecks at Bran's forehead and as Bran states; he didn't have a third eye until then. I think he always had a third eye...he just didn't know he could open it at will. All the Starks have a third eye if they have wolf dreams. When they're asleep the third eye flickers open and they're in their wolves while the wolves hunt during the night. Flying, however is something different. I think it's the ability to enter someone's dream.
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Post by min on Jul 20, 2016 2:05:47 GMT
The 3EC pecks at Bran's forehead and as Bran states; he didn't have a third eye until then. I think he always had a third eye...he just didn't know he could open it at will. All the Starks have a third eye if they have wolf dreams. When they're asleep the third eye flickers open and they're in their wolves while the wolves hunt during the night. Flying, however is something different. I think it's the ability to enter someone's dream. Yes, I agree. I wonder about the wierBran vision. Jon sees weirBran and wonders if Bran always had three eyes. Bran answers him saying not until the crow.... then he touches Ghost and Jon has the wildling vision. He can see Ghost attacked by the Eagle and feel that injury; but Jon is both connected and separate from Ghost. Bran's quote is a bit misleading: he touched Ghost and talked to Jon. He talked to Jon then he touched Ghost. I think what is unique about being touched on the third eye is that both were connected to the weirnet by this act. Perhaps this signifies that 1 in 10,000 skinchanger/wargs with the royal jelly to become a greenseer. Is it a way of being marked or signify a choosing of some kind? Is it significant that V6 was expelled from the weirwood tree he entered.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 20, 2016 11:41:37 GMT
Is it significant that V6 was expelled from the weirwood tree he entered. I understood that as him passing through rather than being expelled, but that is a compelling thought. Maybe you need to be wedded to the trees in order to remain?
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Post by min on Jul 20, 2016 11:55:51 GMT
It seems like it might be something akin to Quaithe touching Dany's wrist and the tingling sensation; so she can communicate with a glass candle.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 20, 2016 17:00:02 GMT
Or it could mean that V6 truly is powerful enough to skinchange a weirwood, but unlike the other animals he dominates, the tree has a stronger will. It also says something about the tree, first that it's a living being (as opposed to a simple plant) since V6 is able to enter it, and second it can choose who remains and who goes. There is consciousness there. Whether the consciousness comes for the tree itself or from anyone controlling it (BR or Bran or the collective that is the weirnet) is to be determined.
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 20, 2016 17:28:15 GMT
Or it could mean that V6 truly is powerful enough to skinchange a weirwood, but unlike the other animals he dominates, the tree has a stronger will. It also says something about the tree, first that it's a living being (as opposed to a simple plant) since V6 is able to enter it, and second it can choose who remains and who goes. There is consciousness there. Whether the consciousness comes for the tree itself or from anyone controlling it (BR or Bran or the collective that is the weirnet) is to be determined. Or simply because he had no prior connection, and once his body died he had no control over where his spirit went. The fact that he was drawn into One Eye is proof that he was bonded to the wolf, because there still was a connection there.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jul 20, 2016 19:23:01 GMT
I'd say Varamyr Sixskins (or V6 as some call him ) was powerful enough to become a greenseer. But I like the idea that the tree didn't want him. It could be because V6 was not wanted, or simply that he was not wed to the trees. Or both. Or other stuff. Additionally, I like the parallel of Bran touching Ghost and Quaithe touching Dany to open a line of communication. And the 3eyed crow touching Bran. Interestingly Bran's connections were made in the "spirit world" but Quaithes was made in the physical which set up a spiritual, or dream, connection. If Quaithe is using a glass candle to perform her magics, the I'd say it is just another version of the third eye.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 20, 2016 19:43:54 GMT
Or simply because he had no prior connection, and once his body died he had no control over where his spirit went. The fact that he was drawn into One Eye is proof that he was bonded to the wolf, because there still was a connection there. But then why bother showing us that he can inhabit a weirwood at all? He could've remained in the air or gone directly to One Eye, whom by the way was not the only one of the 3 wolves he had a connection with, V6 had ridden the skins of the other two wolves as well. It is the suddenness with which he was expelled from the tree that gets me. One moment he's feeling the connection to the whole of the landscape and is marvelling in that sensation when the next thing he knows, without consciously doing so, he's in the wolf. Seems to me the weirwood gathered that intelligence from V6, just as V6 was gathering all that information about all the other living creatures, and it put him in his choice of wolves without V6's consent.
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Post by min on Jul 20, 2016 19:57:57 GMT
I wonder if it has something to do with V6's acts of abomination. Something Bran is very concerned about keeping a secret. Bran knows it's wrong to use Hodor in this way; but loves him and does it for protection of the group. Bran is selfless while V6 is corrupted. What would happen is a corrupt and dangerous soul entered the weirnet?
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 20, 2016 20:24:03 GMT
It must have something to do with eating the weirwood paste that weds a greenseer to the trees. V6 couldn't stay, because he had nothing to tether or connect him or wed him to the trees.
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Post by jnr on Jul 21, 2016 3:09:53 GMT
But I like the idea that the tree didn't want him. It could be because V6 was not wanted, or simply that he was not wed to the trees. If you want it, put a ring on it.
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