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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 15, 2016 23:10:57 GMT
Doctor Bran the Timelord Who, of Gallifreyfell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 23:13:05 GMT
Doctor Bran the Timelord Who, of Gallifreyfell Oh Ok. Thank you for the clarification.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 0:10:05 GMT
Old Nan told him a story about a bad little boy who climbed too high and was struck down by lightning. I want to add in the rest of that sentence, because I believe it furthers the case of the impossible boy. Heh. A little different from where you took the quote to. "Old Nan told him a story about a bad little boy who climbed too high and was struck down by lightning, and how afterward the crows came to peck out his eyes. Bran was not impressed." I'm thinking this is, perhaps, a story of a failed attempt to fly. A greenseer that died before his time.Another good quote from Nan, which I enjoy on its own merit, is this. "The old woman smiled at him toothlessly. “My stories? No, my little lord, not mine. The stories are, before me and after me, before you too." This is very much in line with the timelessness of the trees. "The Oak recalls the Acorn, the Acorn dreams the Oak, the Stump lives in them both." Maybe a failed attempt by Bran himself, maybe?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Mar 16, 2016 0:55:34 GMT
That would be Dr. Brandon Who - the timelord. ETA: Gaaah!! I really need to learn to look for subsequent pages before I post things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 0:56:28 GMT
That would be Dr. Brandon Who - the timelord. Ah Ok I would love if this theory turned out to be true!
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 14:26:29 GMT
Weasel Pie a new idea has come to light about the Wheel of time in that it may be stuck and the current cast of characters are reliving past lives. I've actually found evidence of at least two generations reliving past lives. For example, Asha, Rhaella, and Rhaenyra are all daughters who thought they should inherit. Victarion, Aerys II, and Aerys I have similar lives. Then we have Quaithe's interesting instructions to Daenerys about going south if she wants to go north, and to go east if she wants to go west. Basically she's telling her to do the opposite of what she intends if she wants to get different results. Is it possible that Bran is involved? Either he's the problem, or he's the solution. Are we seeing these retellings, because he's making corrections?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 22, 2016 15:55:41 GMT
Are we seeing these retellings, because he's making corrections? I think in some cases, he's tried to "make corrections" and in others, he's acted more like a character in a play whose role he's studied. As an extreme example - with no evidence, just a gut feeling - he gave Lyanna the blue rose laurel because that's the story he heard, and he figured he was supposed to. As far as Bran being involved in all the other stories, we'd have to identify who he might be inhabiting. As far as the "wheel" goes, I heartily believe in it, and I think a clue would be what I see as lapses of memory, or time unaccounted for. I've actually started a reread on your "fairy tale title" chapters to see if any of that pops out at me, but it didn't occur to me to be thinking specifically of Bran. With Quaithe/Dany, I think the inversion was that she originally went west to end up in the east, and she went north to end up in the south. And as Some Pig No Doubt has already surmised, this would put her in the northwest as a child. Bear Island anyone?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 16:02:43 GMT
Are we seeing these retellings, because he's making corrections? I think in some cases, he's tried to "make corrections" and in others, he's acted more like a character in a play whose role he's studied. As an extreme example - with no evidence, just a gut feeling - he gave Lyanna the blue rose laurel because that's the story he heard, and he figured he was supposed to. As far as Bran being involved in all the other stories, we'd have to identify who he might be inhabiting. As far as the "wheel" goes, I heartily believe in it, and I think a clue would be what I see as lapses of memory, or time unaccounted for. I've actually started a reread on your "fairy tale title" chapters to see if any of that pops out at me, but it didn't occur to me to be thinking specifically of Bran. With Quaithe/Dany, I think the inversion was that she originally went west to end up in the east, and she went north to end up in the south. And as Some Pig No Doubt has already surmised, this would put her in the northwest as a child. Bear Island anyone? What is particularly exciting for me is we could tie up all these different threads and connect them like a giant spider web, which is kind of funny because of the giant frozen kraken reference for the Great Other in the Marvel-ous thread. Dany could of been taken to Bear Island...anything is possible, but I still hold to my first thought that those instructions are meant for Dany to follow in order to change her destiny, because the way things are shaping up she is poised to relive Aegon the Conqueror if she brings those dragons to Westeros.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 22, 2016 16:09:09 GMT
Basically she's telling her to do the opposite of what she intends if she wants to get different results. Is it possible that Bran is involved? Either he's the problem, or he's the solution. Are we seeing these retellings, because he's making corrections? I think we're on to 'third wish' territory here. Bran is going back and trying to find a way to fix things. Will his fixing things help or hinder? I'm thinking he's already had two goes, which is why you're finding repeats in two previous generations Mel. This time, hopefully, after mucking around with things before, he'll find the solution that sets everything right again.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 22, 2016 16:16:25 GMT
I think in some cases, he's tried to "make corrections" and in others, he's acted more like a character in a play whose role he's studied. As an extreme example - with no evidence, just a gut feeling - he gave Lyanna the blue rose laurel because that's the story he heard, and he figured he was supposed to. As far as Bran being involved in all the other stories, we'd have to identify who he might be inhabiting. As far as the "wheel" goes, I heartily believe in it, and I think a clue would be what I see as lapses of memory, or time unaccounted for. I've actually started a reread on your "fairy tale title" chapters to see if any of that pops out at me, but it didn't occur to me to be thinking specifically of Bran. With Quaithe/Dany, I think the inversion was that she originally went west to end up in the east, and she went north to end up in the south. And as Some Pig No Doubt has already surmised, this would put her in the northwest as a child. Bear Island anyone? What is particularly exciting for me is we could tie up all these different threads and connect them like a giant spider web, which is kind of funny because of the giant frozen kraken reference for the Great Other in the Marvel-ous thread. Dany could of been taken to Bear Island...anything is possible, but I still hold to my first thought that those instructions are meant for Dany to follow in order to change her destiny, because the way things are shaping up she is poised to relive Aegon the Conqueror if she brings those dragons to Westeros. the Marvel parallels are mind-boggling, I agree! I haven't even touched the surface yet of comparing Bran to numerous time-travelling Marvel characters, as Some Pig No Doubt has pointed out, there is never a one-to-one perfect counterpart. And I wasn't disagreeing with you about Dany, in fact I 100% agree. Quaithe is pushing her to do the opposite for a different outcome.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 16:18:24 GMT
Basically she's telling her to do the opposite of what she intends if she wants to get different results. Is it possible that Bran is involved? Either he's the problem, or he's the solution. Are we seeing these retellings, because he's making corrections? I think we're on to 'third wish' territory here. Bran is going back and trying to find a way to fix things. Will his fixing things help or hinder? I'm thinking he's already had two goes, which is why you're finding repeats in two previous generations Mel. This time, hopefully, after mucking around with things before, he'll find the solution that sets everything right again. That is one possibility. Either Bran has been mucking up the different tellings, or the Wheel has been stuck and he's trying to change various details in order to get a different result. Weasel Pie had an interesting thought about the blue roses, which caused me to wonder was Bran trying to change Jon's father?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 22, 2016 16:23:06 GMT
Weasel Pie had an interesting thought about the blue roses, which caused me to wonder was Bran trying to change Jon's father? whoa. This might be the best motivation ever for "Rhaegar" to name Lyanna the QoLaB.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 18:05:35 GMT
OK. I had a thought while out walking...if you take a map of Westeros and fold it down the middle, the fold running north to south, you could line up the Iron Islands with Dragonstone, and Casterly Rock over Dorne. This is like the Alice in Wonderland mirror, and would explain why the Greyjoys are reliving the Targaryens and the Martells are reliving the Lannisters. Bran has flipped their roles. Since Winterfell is in the fold, I haven't figured out if they're going to mirror something else or if everything they do will be opposite of what happened in the past?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 19:16:20 GMT
Here are some thoughts that I also posted on Westeros in response to who is creating the white walkers. Matthew had replied back with examples of motive and timing, and he thought Dany was different than Aegon the Conqueror. My reply comes after that:
If Daenerys decides to bring the dragons to Westeros, she will be reliving the life of Aegon the Conqueror. We don't know who Quaithe really is or what horse she has in the race, but she has been trying to tell Dany how to change her destiny. If my theory about the Wheel of Time is correct and she's on track to reliving Aegon's conquest, then her instructions to go north if she wants to go south, and to go east if she wants to go west are instructions on how to change her destiny.
I think Bran has been manipulating the past in order to change the outcome of the battle against the Others. It's just as Melisandre says, this battle has been going on since time indefinite. In the past Joramun of the wildlings allied himself with the Lord of Winterfell to defeat the Nights King. Now whether or not that story had anything to do about a rising threat of Others being created, I think there is evidence to suggest that is exactly what the Nights King was doing.
For the sake of my example, we'll call the person who is currently creating white walkers the Nights King, so in the present story the "Nights King" is creating white walkers again, but rather than aligning the wildlings with a Lord of Winterfell to defeat the "Nights King" this time the wildlings are allowed through to the south side of the Wall, which results in Jon being killed...at least we think he's dead, but we're expecting a resurrection. Was Jon destined to become the Nights King? Is somebody else the Nights King and Jon has to be dead to defeat him? Was Benjen destined to become the Nights King and that's why Bran made him disappear? Will Melisandre work with or against Bran's plans? Did Bran have to kill his own family so that there wasn't a Lord in Winterfell?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 22, 2016 19:29:57 GMT
Winterfell is in the fold Winterfell is in the hinge... Did Bran have to kill his own family so that there wasn't a Lord in Winterfell? You're on a roll! I need some time to frame my response.
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