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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 20:26:31 GMT
e-gads, I've just had a bad thought...the reason why the Others are a threat has something to do with the Last Hero. The Children intervened on his behalf, either saving him from being killed by the Others or they resurrected him. In any case, elevating the Starks as the Lord of Winterfell and the shield in the north on top of a magical hinge may have something to do with the threat existing in the first place? So, Bran has to change all of the Stark's history, causing different results, changing Jon's parentage, killing all Lords of Winterfell, and allowing the wildlings south past the Wall. How will all this help defeat the Others once and for good?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 22, 2016 20:29:49 GMT
Since Winterfell is in the fold, I haven't figured out if they're going to mirror something else or if everything they do will be opposite of what happened in the past? Wait, Winterfell is smack in the middle? Whoa. Who was it that always said the storm happening at Winterfell is because that is where the Cold actually originated from? Was it Redriver?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 20:36:05 GMT
I don't remember who first said that.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 22, 2016 20:39:57 GMT
The use of the word "hinge" is apt. A door has hinges, and then there's the other side of the door. If the hinge runs north and south, but the north end comes to a T at the Wall, then what is the north mirroring? If the Wall falls will the hinge flip the door "down" allowing the north to flip?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 0:32:23 GMT
I need to revise my thoughts regarding the hinge. The Wall is the hinge, but think of it as Alice in Wonderland's mirror. If you were standing on the Wall and looked south, imagine Westeros in reverse. the Iron Islands would be to your right, so they are Dragonstone. Dorne would be to your left, so they are now Casterly Rock. Winterfell is in the south, and Starfall is the north.
Keeping this perspective in mind, I am wondering if Quaithe is working against Bran by telling Daenerys what she must do in order to be Aegon the Conqueror come-again. The Targaryens launched their invasion from Dragonstone, but now that Bran has altered Westeros, she must arrive from the west, because that is where the Iron Islands are and are now "Dragonstone", so that is where the dragons must now enter from. To me this identifies Quaithe as being on the side of fire like Melisandre. They want to keep the strength of fire magic and keep ice magic minimized.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 0:46:39 GMT
To expand on the Alice's looking glass view from the Wall, that is why I am wondering if Bran changed Jon's parents. If history keeps repeating itself, that would explain why Ygritte told Jon the story of Bael the Bard. If Jon is the bastard of Winterfell, like all the bastard's of Winterfell before him, then his story is supposed to include that his mother was a daughter of Winterfell and his father a wildling Bael. BUT, if Bran changed things so that Winterfell is now Starfall...his parents have changed...but in what way?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 0:58:45 GMT
Another thought occurred to me, if you're standing on the Wall looking south into Alice's mirror, then Daenerys could have been taken to Bear Island as Some Pig No Doubt and Weasel Pie suspect. If Bran hadn't altered Westeros, she would have been taken to to Bravos like she thought, but if you are on the Wall looking south into Alice's mirror, Braavos is now on your left and Bear Island is about where Braavos used to be.
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Post by min on Mar 23, 2016 2:58:53 GMT
This is fascinating. I do think we have to pay attention when bolts from the blue are used in the story. It was Redriver who wrote the Winterfell thread pointing out that winter fist manifested from Winterfell.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Mar 23, 2016 4:11:55 GMT
Weasel you know your girl is a fan.I agree with you 99% that Bran is a "timelord" except i don't think its our Bran that is or that he can really travel in that sense of the word. He's body hoping.I brought this up before on Heresy and its a small theory that i have to pull together.The whole skinchanging thing for me is key and that begins in V6's chapter.I believe BtB is alive and the dominant persona in the Weirnet of Leaf's cave.He has been luring Wargs and usurping their spirit/soul for the control of their bodies and because they are Wargs he never had to lose his gifts like V6 would have done if he took Thistle.
V6 would be walking around as Thistle but no one would know.The same way Bran was walking around as Hodor and no one knew it was him.Bran will be in a fight for his life to keep his body and i believe "he" will lose and BtB will be in charge .......Then Jon will kill his arse.
But i love this Weasel and i'm glad you put it out.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 23, 2016 6:22:41 GMT
if you are on the Wall looking south into Alice's mirror, Braavos is now on your left and Bear Island is about where Braavos used to be. Just so. I do think we have to pay attention when bolts from the blue are used in the story Do you have an example of this so I know what you mean? i don't think its our Bran that is or that he can really travel in that sense of the word. He's body hoping. Yes! He could, through the weirnet, see Howland praying in front of a heart tree and he was able to slip into his skin the same way he slips into Hodor's.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 10:37:30 GMT
Daenerys has such conflicting memories. The lemon tree sounds like Dorne, she thought she was in Braavos, and the wooden beams and carvings sound like Bear Island. Sounds like Bran changed things more than once.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 12:10:56 GMT
Here is a new wondering did Bran actually change reality or are people only "remembering" a false reality? Lets use Daenerys in this example. Did she have false memories layered over the top of reality or did her reality actually change? By that, did she actually go to Bear Island or because we're now looking at Westeros through the looking glass, is she just dreaming about Bear Island? In any case, she made it to Essos.
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Post by min on Mar 23, 2016 13:36:56 GMT
Sure; These quotes:
"Old Nan told him a story about a bad little boy who climbed too high and was struck down by lightning, and how afterward the crows came to peck out his eyes. Bran was not impressed."
His favorite haunt was the broken tower. Once it had been a watchtower, the tallest in Winterfell. A long time ago, a hundred years before even his father had been born, a lightning strike had set it afire. The top third of the structure had collapsed inward, and the tower had never been rebuilt. Sometimes his father sent ratters into the base of the tower, to clean out the nests they always found among the jumble of fallen stones and charred and rotten beams. But no one ever got up to the jagged top of the structure now except for Bran and the crows.
I recall having a conversation with Slowfyre at one time, when he was working on the Apple thread concerning a lightening blasted tree (oak?) with a rose growing at the base. IIRC that was in the scene where Ghost had been missing and reappeared in the company of two men of the watch scouting. We wondered at the time what significance the lightening strike, the rose and tree had since it stood out.
And now I've come across a lightening reference that supports an idea that I'm working on for the Hinges of the World.
So I wonder if they are bolts out of the blue; something that is being high lighted or something we are meant to give closer scrutiny.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 23, 2016 14:14:56 GMT
Sure; These quotes: "Old Nan told him a story about a bad little boy who climbed too high and was struck down by lightning, and how afterward the crows came to peck out his eyes. Bran was not impressed." His favorite haunt was the broken tower. Once it had been a watchtower, the tallest in Winterfell. A long time ago, a hundred years before even his father had been born, a lightning strike had set it afire. The top third of the structure had collapsed inward, and the tower had never been rebuilt. Sometimes his father sent ratters into the base of the tower, to clean out the nests they always found among the jumble of fallen stones and charred and rotten beams. But no one ever got up to the jagged top of the structure now except for Bran and the crows. I recall having a conversation with Slowfyre at one time, when he was working on the Apple thread concerning a lightening blasted tree (oak?) with a rose growing at the base. IIRC that was in the scene where Ghost had been missing and reappeared in the company of two men of the watch scouting. We wondered at the time what significance the lightening strike, the rose and tree had since it stood out. And now I've come across a lightening reference that supports an idea that I'm working on for the Hinges of the World. So I wonder if they are bolts out of the blue; something that is being high lighted or something we are meant to give closer scrutiny. Ah, literally a bolt from the blue, got it Yes, the other mention is in what I call Jon's Ice Visitation chapter (I should post that) which is supremely important to several of my theories - ACoK 23/Jon III
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 23, 2016 14:21:42 GMT
I should mention there is another suspect "blackening" in Jon's previous AcoK Chapter (Jon II) @whitetree, which is the subject of a few other discussions here
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