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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 28, 2016 21:17:28 GMT
Dawn - forged from the heart of an Asteroid/Meteor/Shooting Star Ice - more likely from a Comet
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 21:22:13 GMT
We don't have evidence of the Children using it that I can recall, but we do have evidence that dragonbone is used. I'm not following. ? There are numerous mentions of dragonbone being used for stuff, Bloodraven's bow was made from it, so was some jewelry here and there I think. So sure, carving stuff out of it is a real thing, but in reference to the idea that perhaps the original Ice was made from it back during the Age of Heroes, I have my doubts. Also, that knife was a gift to a young Robert from Jon Arryn - who knows where it came from or who made it, but I seriously doubt it was fashioned by the Children.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 21:30:03 GMT
Random and probably totally wrong association between dragonglass and Dawn:
ASOS, Samwell I
Sobbing, Sam took another step. He had been cold so long he was forgetting what it was like to feel warm. He wore three pairs of hose, two layers of smallclothes beneath a double lambswool tunic, and over that a thick quilted coat that padded him against the cold steel of his around the black dragonglass dagger in its throat. It reached down with two bone-white hands to pull out the knife, but where its fingers touched the obsidian they smoked.
Sam rolled onto his side, eyes wide as the Other shrank and puddled, dissolving away. In twenty heartbeats its flesh was gone, swirling away in a fine white mist. Beneath were bones like milkglass, pale and shiny, and they were melting too. Finally only the dragonglass dagger remained, wreathed in steam as if it were alive and sweating. [As opposed to "pale as milkglass,alive with light"] Grenn bent to scoop it up and flung it down again at once. "Mother, that's cold."
"Obsidian." Sam struggled to his knees. "Dragonglass, they call it. Dragonglass. Dragon glass." He giggled, and cried, and doubled over to heave his courage out onto the snow.
Grenn pulled Sam to his feet, checked Small Paul for a pulse and closed his eyes, then snatched up the dagger again. This time he was able to hold it.
"You keep it," Sam said. "You're not craven like me."
"So craven you killed an Other." Grenn pointed with the knife. "Look there, through the trees. Pink light. Dawn, Sam. Dawn. That must be east. If we head that way, we should catch Mormont."
Interesting that right after Sam kills the Other with dragonglass, DAWN appears.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 21:32:38 GMT
Dawn - forged from the heart of an Asteroid/Meteor/Shooting Star Ice - more likely from a Comet Which also dovetails with the idea that the two swords have a similar/shared source. Although that applies to everything, really, we are all made of star stuff and such.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 28, 2016 21:34:18 GMT
Dawn - forged from the heart of an Asteroid/Meteor/Shooting Star Ice - more likely from a Comet Which also dovetails with the idea that the two swords have a similar/shared source. Although that applies to everything, really, we are all made of star stuff and such. Kryptonite. /mic drop
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 21:38:22 GMT
YIIISSSS
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 21:49:21 GMT
OMG, I just remembered something. Remember Bizarro World with the alternate "mirror image" anti-hero Superman? Who was created mostly on accident by Lex Luthor using a ray gun or something on the real Superman? Who was vulnerable to BLUE kryptonite???
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 28, 2016 21:57:19 GMT
We don't have evidence of the Children using it that I can recall, but we do have evidence that dragonbone is used. I'm not following. ? There are numerous mentions of dragonbone being used for stuff, Bloodraven's bow was made from it, so was some jewelry here and there I think. So sure, carving stuff out of it is a real thing, but in reference to the idea that perhaps the original Ice was made from it back during the Age of Heroes, I have my doubts. Also, that knife was a gift to a young Robert from Jon Arryn - who knows where it came from or who made it, but I seriously doubt it was fashioned by the Children. Whoops, I thought you were saying we didn't any evidence for the use of dragonbone beyond the Children. Meaning not only do the Children not use it, the rest of Westeros doesn't either. My bad. I should've remembered who I am talking to.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 28, 2016 22:04:40 GMT
OMG, I just remembered something. Remember Bizarro World with the alternate "mirror image" anti-hero Superman? Who was created mostly on accident by Lex Luthor using a ray gun or something on the real Superman? Who was vulnerable to BLUE kryptonite??? yes b/c the duplicator ray made the green kryptonite blue - so it was no longer a danger to superman but to the mirror bizarros instead. And there was also a red kryptonite somehow related to the Bizarros.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 28, 2016 22:07:44 GMT
Superman has suffered the following effects upon exposure to various pieces of Red Kryptonite:
Transformed into a dragon Transformed into a dwarf Gained telepathy
heh.
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Post by ac on Aug 28, 2016 22:14:48 GMT
Beneath were bones like milkglass, pale and shiny As opposed to "pale as milkglass,alive with light" Interesting that right after Sam kills the Other with dragonglass, DAWN appears.
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Post by ac on Aug 28, 2016 22:16:18 GMT
But still with all of superman's powers??? Excellent.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 28, 2016 22:17:13 GMT
Imma going to start digging into Bizarro World now. I remember the bizarros trying to take over Metropolis and finally the Head Bizarro leaving after he got a Bizarro copy of Lois Lane, but the rest is murky.
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Post by ac on Aug 28, 2016 22:21:14 GMT
This is what GRRM said about it: December 11, 1999 Dragons in Westeros In 'The Hedge Knight' ancient dragons are mentioned, thousands of years olds. Were there Dragons in Westeros before the Targaryens brought them, or did the Targaryens bring the skeletons of the old Dragons with them? There were dragons all over, once. The follow up question, which I realise may be something you keep for the books, is what happened to the Dragons out of Westeros? If I understood correctly, the Alchemists say that there were no more Dragons anywhere. Was that so? There are no more dragons known to exist... but this is a medieval period, and large parts of the world are still terra incognita, so there are always tales of dragon sightings in far off mysterious places. The maesters tend to discount those. So quite possibly the dawn sword came with the Dayne ancestors from Essos rather than being something the cotf whipped up. Once again with a conflated story tied to it's origins. My completely unsubstantiated opinion is that the dragons are a side-effect of the magic used to stop the Others during the Long Night and that the meteors seen at this time were actually dragon eggs. The ones that landed in Valaryia hatched due to the extreme heat of the volcanoes there.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 28, 2016 22:34:23 GMT
Just gonna backtrack the Kryptonite idea to be a little more literal with my thoughts. Obvs Marvel is an inspiration, no reason GRRM can't dip a toe into DC - especially Superman.
GRRM decided to make comets a thing. He decided to have a famous sword forged from the heart of a falling star (Dawn), and an entire House devoted to this falling star. He also decided to have inhuman Sidhe-like beings (the Others) particularly vulnerable to weapons made from a particular substance (obsidian/dragon glass). And he also decided that there was another mysterious substance that made more effective and lasting weapons than the usual earthly substance (Valyrian Steel).
My point with the Kryptonite is that it's "poisonous" to the earth-bound Superman, who himself hails from Krypton. He only has powers because of the colors of the Earth's sun and the gravitational field on Earth.
Anyway... Kryptonite is poison to Superman mostly because it takes away his powers. And in ASOIAF we have pretty clear evidence of dragon glass taking away the powers of the Others.
Whether GRRM's got a deeper story here about Dawn's material coming from a certain place or even dimension - not sure yet.
But GRRM decided to include all that stuff. He's going somewhere with it. And the best parallel as a possible inspiration is Kryptonite.
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