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Post by Melifeather on Mar 16, 2016 1:49:01 GMT
I do think Ashara and Elia were lovers, and I also believe they shared Rhaegar. They were very close and it isn't a stretch that Ashara was a surrogate mother since Elia was so fragile.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 16, 2016 1:51:01 GMT
I do think Ashara and Elia were lovers, and I also believe they shared Rhaegar. They were very close and it isn't a stretch that Ashara was a surrogate mother since Elia was so fragile. Child of three.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 16, 2016 1:58:17 GMT
They must have kept Dany hidden?
I didn't really emphasize the part in my Captain of Guards essay where Doran couldn't do anything about taking Sarella into custody unless she were to return home and leave Oldtown. Then he said something to the effect, leave her to her...game. To me since Sarella rhymes with Rhaella I think this is in reference to her. She left Kings Landing, likely with Dany, and that is the definition of "her game" or maybe even left with both children...the real Aegon and Dany.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 16, 2016 2:01:10 GMT
They must have kept Dany hidden? Bear Island
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 16, 2016 2:02:29 GMT
Doran couldn't do anything about taking Sarella into custody unless she were to return home Ned can't take Jorah into custody unless he returns home?
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 16, 2016 2:07:00 GMT
Doran couldn't do anything about taking Sarella into custody unless she were to return home Ned can't take Jorah into custody unless he returns home? I was thinking that since Tywin had Lyanna, Ashara, and Elia in towers, he couldn't do anything about Rhaella, because she had already left Kings Landing. The theory about seeing Rhaella, but it's really Ashara seems very plausible to me.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 16, 2016 2:30:32 GMT
The theory about seeing Rhaella, but it's really Ashara seems very plausible to me. Meaning what Jaime saw? I agree, it could have been Ashara.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Mar 16, 2016 3:30:07 GMT
I absolutely agree that the possibility that Elia/Ashara were a thing is very high indeed. The whole "it's complicated" thing along with the SSMs about same-sex paramours lends a LOT of credence to that thought. In any event, I think perhaps Lyanna got in the way of the little love triangle going on. I didn't really emphasize the part in my Captain of Guards essay where Doran couldn't do anything about taking Sarella into custody unless she were to return home and leave Oldtown. Then he said something to the effect, leave her to her...game. To me since Sarella rhymes with Rhaella I think this is in reference to her. I dunno...I'm harboring the crackpot that Lyanna was the one playing the game. Remember how often we've talked about the whole Arya/Arry thing, and how this may have applied to Lyanna as well? And isn't that the very thing that Sarella is doing now in Oldtown? So, Sarella is playing Arellas in the very far south, perhaps Lyanna was playing Allyn in the very far....north.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 16, 2016 3:52:05 GMT
I absolutely agree that the possibility that Elia/Ashara were a thing is very high indeed. The whole "it's complicated" thing along with the SSMs about same-sex paramours lends a LOT of credence to that thought. In any event, I think perhaps Lyanna got in the way of the little love triangle going on. I didn't really emphasize the part in my Captain of Guards essay where Doran couldn't do anything about taking Sarella into custody unless she were to return home and leave Oldtown. Then he said something to the effect, leave her to her...game. To me since Sarella rhymes with Rhaella I think this is in reference to her. I dunno...I'm harboring the crackpot that Lyanna was the one playing the game. Remember how often we've talked about the whole Arya/Arry thing, and how this may have applied to Lyanna as well? And isn't that the very thing that Sarella is doing now in Oldtown? So, Sarella is playing Arellas in the very far south, perhaps Lyanna was playing Allyn in the very far....north. Yes, that could have happened as well. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I'm sure as we get further along in our respective projects that we'll dig up the root of the matter.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 17, 2016 17:33:59 GMT
I dunno...I'm harboring the crackpot that Lyanna was the one playing the game. Remember how often we've talked about the whole Arya/Arry thing, and how this may have applied to Lyanna as well? And isn't that the very thing that Sarella is doing now in Oldtown? So, Sarella is playing Arellas in the very far south, perhaps Lyanna was playing Allyn in the very far....north. I've always harboured this suspicion. Lyanna was not played, but was a player. The references to Margaery with the rose imagery, for me, says there is a hint there. Marg is being used by her family to gain political influence, but she is playing the game too. She's not a helpless victim of her grandmother's ambition. Lyanna was in the same position. She was being used by her father to gain political influence by marrying her off to Robert. Why then would we imagine that she too is not playing the game, the same way Marg is?
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Post by SerTarod on Mar 21, 2016 16:05:07 GMT
My penny on the OP. I think the Stark is Brandon, similar to the reasons given above, but mainly because i think ol Baristan is a traditional chauvinist. This also then gives some weight to Brandon's psycho reaction to the idea (right or wrong) that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar. Because Brandon would then have known that because whatever happened to Ashara, something similar would be happening to his sister. The general view that his reaction came from his wolfish tendencies just doesn't add up. Ned tells us early in the first novel that all was meant for Brandon, which means that Brandon would have received the proper education befitting the heir to Winterfell, including a political education falling in with Rickard's "southron ambitions". His reaction is contrary to that.
So Brandon for the Lemoncake!
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