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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 22, 2016 1:17:27 GMT
Who or what is Coldhands? Does he matter to the future story? Is he a walking, non-breathing clue?
He is an odd one, Coldhands. He speaks what seems to be the Old Tongue and the common tongue. He understands ravenspeak too. He says he's a brother of the Watch, but he was murdered a long time ago.
So I was thinking, what if he was alive in the not so distant past. Somewhere between the Long Night and the present day. Someone who would know the old and the newer language. Maybe a skinchanger to boot. Or a skinchanger who was found out and sent north of the Wall by his fellow Watchmen? A criminal sent north of the Wall?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 22, 2016 1:40:50 GMT
I want to pull some quotes from the books, but my Kindle app is not working. I'll come back with more stuffs later. Hopefully I won't have to copy from the paper copies.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 22, 2016 16:02:33 GMT
Can't wait to see what you come up with. This is one of my favourite subjects discussed on Heresy.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 23, 2016 17:56:10 GMT
I don't know where I'm going with this, truly. Something min said sparked my curiosity. My Kindle is working again so I can dig for more meat.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Mar 23, 2016 18:20:21 GMT
Who or what is Coldhands? Does he matter to the future story? Is he a walking, non-breathing clue? He is an odd one, Coldhands. He speaks what seems to be the Old Tongue and the common tongue. He understands ravenspeak too. He says he's a brother of the Watch, but he was murdered a long time ago. So I was thinking, what if he was alive in the not so distant past. Somewhere between the Long Night and the present day. Someone who would know the old and the newer language. Maybe a skinchanger to boot. Or a skinchanger who was found out and sent north of the Wall by his fellow Watchmen? A criminal sent north of the Wall? Don't forget he also has black eyes (perhaps Dornish black eyes?).
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Post by min on Mar 23, 2016 19:11:48 GMT
Or perhaps, eyes of the dead, pupils fully retracted; something like Euron's crow's eye. The king's eye, not the laughing eye. The 3-eyed crow's eye. Crows as in crows from the wall, lord commander crows. Bloordraven, Night's King, Jon Snow.... Coldhands? The one who can't be named? Leaf avoids Bran's question when he asks about CH. She just says they killed him long ago, she doesn't give him a name although she seems to know who he is. In other words, he's no one. He doesn't show his face, he's faceless and he extracts an oath 3 times from Samwell telling him that Bran must be dead to the world and that he owes CH for his own life. Harkens back to Arya's grumpkin Jaqen H'gar. He's her monster and CH tells Bran that he's Bran's monster.
Monsters out of old Nan's tales. The Night's King as the thing that comes in the night seen 200 years later with the 'prentice boys chained behind him. The one with many faces because he visited the boys in their dreams with a different faces. They couldn't fly, so they died. One went mad, Mad Axe. The Night King who sacrifices his 'children' (the apprentice boys) to the old gods.
The 3 eyed crow who shows Bran the world. Not from the crow's eye view, or even the eagle's eye view. He shows Bran entire continents. This the moon's eye view. The moon on the door of the HoB&W, the moon door aka Black Gate at the Eyrie; Ghost hiding from the moon's eye. The horned moon, the horned lord, Joramun? Joramun=Night's King=3 eyed crow=Coldhands?
As Jaqen tells Arya a man has many names.
It's preposterous, but I like it.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 23, 2016 22:30:59 GMT
Who or what is Coldhands? Does he matter to the future story? Is he a walking, non-breathing clue? He is an odd one, Coldhands. He speaks what seems to be the Old Tongue and the common tongue. He understands ravenspeak too. He says he's a brother of the Watch, but he was murdered a long time ago. So I was thinking, what if he was alive in the not so distant past. Somewhere between the Long Night and the present day. Someone who would know the old and the newer language. Maybe a skinchanger to boot. Or a skinchanger who was found out and sent north of the Wall by his fellow Watchmen? A criminal sent north of the Wall? Don't forget he also has black eyes (perhaps Dornish black eyes?). Ah, yes. Black eyes. And in contrast to Waymar's eyes. "A shard from his sword transfixed the blind white pupil of his left eye. The right eye was open. The pupil burned blue."
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 24, 2016 0:37:51 GMT
He doesn't show his face, he's faceless and he extracts an oath 3 times from Samwell telling him that Bran must be dead to the world and that he owes CH for his own life. Harkens back to Arya's grumpkin Jaqen H'gar. He's her monster and CH tells Bran that he's Bran's mons As I was reading, I had a similar thought about Coldhands with his scarf and clothing being a no one; just some guy. No one that anyone knows. He is fully dressed, What does a dead man need with all that clothing and armor? Or should I say, what's a dead body need with all that clothing and armor? And thanks to freyfamilyreunion for reminding me of the black eyes, 'cause those are the eyes of the living. And clothing that was very, very old should be falling apart. Unless that's a grrmumstance.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 24, 2016 0:38:06 GMT
The three promises by Sam intrigued me as well. But they were actually made to three people, Bran, Jojen, and Coldhands. And Sam keeps the promises by letting his best friend believe his brother is dead. What? A little quote from CH about it, Let his bone lie undisturbed, while fitting for the tale of Bran's death, is... disturbing. Coldhands wants to make sure that no one else comes to find Bran.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 24, 2016 0:50:30 GMT
And I had a cracked thought about CH. You recall Gendel and Gorne? The free folk say Gendel, after battling with the Watch and some Northmen, was able to retreat to the caves that were used to pass under the Wall, but he never found his way out of the caves.
What if Coldhands is Gendel whose children still live in the caves and are always hungry? ? ? CH is supposedly a brother of the Watch, but who knows? Maybe it's all a sham.
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Post by min on Mar 24, 2016 0:52:12 GMT
Yes, three lives are owed to CH (Gilly, Sam and the Babe) in exchange for letting people think that Bran, Jojen and Meera are dead. He makes him swear three times. But this doesn't let CH off the hook as a faceless man. He's observing the forms even if the death is a ruse at this point. Ultimately he has to get Bran to the greenseer. Who knows what will happen to Bran, Jojen, Meera and Hodor. That's four lives. Who is meant to live?
Where have they been keeping CH? Gendel and Gorn seems a good analogy. He does know where the back door is located.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 24, 2016 1:01:59 GMT
Hah! Yeah, "they killed him long ago." Could the 'they' be the children of the forest? Leaf was not born that 'long ago' so she wouldn't be part of the collective 'they.'
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 24, 2016 14:30:28 GMT
Swear it, Samwell of the Night’s Watch. Swear it for the life you owe me. Heh, which life would that be then? As pointed out above, three lives were spared. Sam got himself free from Small Paul, so Coldhands has nought to do with that. I was not until they were outside the hut did CH show up, when all three of them were again being chased by the wight horde. So what can he mean? Is Gilly right and they were only ever after the child? Is Monster the life that was spared? Or would both Gilly and the child be fine, since they are Craster's, but Sam as a Night Watchman be the one whose life is in peril?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 25, 2016 17:06:40 GMT
Reading some more on Coldhands, I found a paragraph about his eyes, which I had forgotten the details of.
His eyes are black like the raven's. Mayhaps Coldhands has raven eyes.
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 25, 2016 17:13:34 GMT
He's probably as dry as a popcorn fart.
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