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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2017 20:10:33 GMT
Oh shit, something else completely just occurred to me. Look at the three main King's blood houses: Durran, Stark, Gardner. Throwing out a thought that Gendry's Durran (and unknown mother) blood was used to curse Houses Stark, Greyjoy and Baratheon Lannister.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 17, 2017 20:14:02 GMT
However there are the flashes of memory that Dany has that seem like descriptions of the Mormont's home on Bear Island, and the "poachers" that he sold to slavers could have been Dany, Viserys, and Rhaella. I've been entirely suspicious of the "poachers sold as slaves" story for a good long while. Some Pig No Doubt and I have our suspicions that Jorah's "exile" event had to do with Dany. Might be an interesting inversion, as you suggest, to suspect that Dragonstone and Bear Island could have a larger connection... ETA - and I know this is off topic for my whole OP lol but I believe that Jorah was under some kind of mind control/spell. I don't know if you remember a thread I started back on Sable Hall - not sure if I've repeated it here yet, I'll have to look, about Jorah as a pawn of the Hightowers (who of course tie in with the Tyrells and Gardeners). ETA found it. Good place for discussing Bear Island etc. Also a reminder that Walys Hightower Flowers, the Starks Maester during Lyanna's time, would have Gardener blood as well.
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Post by Melifeather on Sept 17, 2017 21:27:58 GMT
We should consider moving comments having anything to do with baby killing or basically the "darker" side of Rhaegar to Some Pig's newest Deranged Dynamic Duo thread.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 17, 2017 21:57:35 GMT
I have pretty much zero knowledge of the histories and marriage alliances etc of any houses beyond Stark and Targ so will bow out of any speculation on that. I like it, though.
Am writing up something now about Aegon for a separate thread (it brings in stuff from multiple other threads, figured I'd just start a new one).
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 19, 2017 2:20:27 GMT
Sorry guys, long busy weekend and just kinda ran out of steam....will work on some thoughts after some energy returns.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 26, 2017 16:55:51 GMT
Random observation, since I've been working on some Tolkein stuff.
Samwell's lover is Gilly named for the Gillyflower. Samwise's wife is Rosie Cotton.
Samwell famously wields an obsidian black to defeat (in an awkward and haphazard way) a white walker to protect Gilly, who is carrying something very evil and precious - the baby Monster. Samwise famously yields a barrow blade as well as Sting to defeat (in an awkward and haphazard way) Shelob to protect Frodo, who is carrying something very evil and precious - the One Ring.
Salient point: Shelob is not really a spider but an ancient evil in the form of a spider.
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Post by Melifeather on Sept 26, 2017 17:19:10 GMT
Random observation, since I've been working on some Tolkein stuff. Samwell's lover is Gilly named for the Gillyflower. Samwise's wife is Rosie Cotton. Samwell famously wields an obsidian black to defeat (in an awkward and haphazard way) a white walker to protect Gilly, who is carrying something very evil and precious - the baby Monster. Samwise famously yields a barrow blade as well as Sting to defeat (in an awkward and haphazard way) Shelob to protect Frodo, who is carrying something very evil and precious - the One Ring. Salient point: Shelob is not really a spider but an ancient evil in the form of a spider. Could you expand on the information regarding the ring? We have a gist about the white walkers and the death they bring, but we have no idea where Monster fits in all this. The only thing I know about the ring is that is can make the wearer invisible. What else can the ring do?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 26, 2017 17:49:37 GMT
The one ring is the source of all of Sauron's power. Destroy the ring, destroy the dark lord.
Fascinating if this can be applied to a baby.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Sept 26, 2017 17:55:52 GMT
The one ring is the source of all of Sauron's power. Destroy the ring, destroy the dark lord. Fascinating if this can be applied to a baby. exactement, it's a bit like a Horcrux that way in that it contains part of Sauron's soul. He created it to make his own power greater and to have power over all the other rings - held by the elves, dwarves and men - to thereby rule them all. Quite a lot of other stuff I'm putting together for the JRRT thread. Another note is that Sauron himself made the One Ring. So we can apply this to a father "making" his son, who is the source of his destruction in the end. Bael, anyone?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 21, 2017 15:38:39 GMT
"His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be."
- JRRT RotK
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Oct 22, 2017 5:02:03 GMT
"His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be." - JRRT RotK It’s been way too long since i’ve read TLOTR. When I saw Martin at a convention in Texas, he said that he rereads two books every year, the Lord of the Rings (I’m assuming the trilogy) and interestingly enough, the Great Gatsby. It’s easy to see the influence of the first on ASOIAF, but harder as to the second, until you realize that Littlefinger is George’s Gatsby.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 24, 2017 2:38:31 GMT
Sam Tarly the striding huntsman.
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