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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 24, 2016 19:10:37 GMT
An interesting take on the actual history and historical characters and how they influenced Martin's writing.
I don't agree with all of their comparisons, but listening to Martin himself telling us how he uses situations and people is fascinating.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 24, 2016 19:11:34 GMT
And here is part 2
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 25, 2016 17:22:12 GMT
Very interesting....I've only watched Part I, but this confirms what I thought was happening: George is cherry-picking the most interesting and novel bits from multiple historical figures and rolling them into a single character. Every time I see some talking head on Westeros rambling on about how they have the story all figured out because X = Edward or Y= Richard and this is what they did to Z = Henry or whatever, I just  . Yes, it's "inspired by", but he is doing so much mixing and matching that you end up with a million possible combinations...and then when you factor in all the OTHER references from which he's pulling inspiration (Marvel, WoT, etc), the combinations approach a near-infinite number. There are no straight 1:1 correlations anywhere. |
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 25, 2016 22:06:15 GMT
Yep that's what I think too. For example the 3 Barratheon brothers are clearly inspired by the 3 Suns of York, the Edward IV, George of Clarence and Richard III, but they don't correspond to their birth order, or stick to their life's course at all times. Stannis is very much like Richard III, even to the point of calling his brother's children bastards. But Tyrion is physically the most like Richard III and his horrible reputation that the Tudors gave him. So there's no 1:1 on any of the characters.
I've got to rewatch part 2 because the historians bring up Jane Shore again as the inspiration for Cersei's walk, but I don't think Martin says that. There's mention of a woman that does the walk with a lit taper, which as far as I know, Shore doesn't do, Eleanor Duchess of Gloucester (who pre-dates Jane's walk) does that. So I'm not too sold on the historian's take on it.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 30, 2016 0:25:16 GMT
Watched part 1 and there are some interesting bits there. I am not a history buff by any means. Still, I like to hear of the different, real histories that characters and situations are taken from.
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. Yes, it's "inspired by", but he is doing so much mixing and matching that you end up with a million possible combinations...and then when you factor in all the OTHER references from which he's pulling inspiration (Marvel, WoT, etc), the combinations approach a near-infinite number. There are no straight 1:1 correlations anywhere.
