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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 4:36:43 GMT
I was also thinking the Jesus resurrection thing as well!
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 2, 2016 4:46:21 GMT
We better! I'm still hanging on to my pretty theory that Brandon brings him back! Yeah I was wrong about this LOL Well, maybe. Did Mel truly bring Jon back from the dead? I will remain skeptical until disproven.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 2, 2016 4:52:01 GMT
That is an interesting thought, and it may have merit. However...Bloodraven spends a lot of time "dreaming". Maybe it takes practice to remain underwater for a long time? Hah. Yes it does take practice. Bran does not have that experience, yet. Still, I think if someone goes beyond their knowledge, that person will float away.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 5:09:35 GMT
Yeah I was wrong about this LOL Well, maybe. Did Mel truly bring Jon back from the dead? I will remain skeptical until disproven. That is true my friend.
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Post by Melifeather on May 2, 2016 5:38:32 GMT
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 2, 2016 11:42:14 GMT
What the farq was Mel doing? We've never seen a resurrection ritual with spa treatments and haircuts/beard grooming before. It certainly wasn't the way Thoros raised Berric, even if Mel was there to witness it, which she was not. She claims she doesn't know how Thoros did it. So what was all that mumbo jumbo? The body washing seemed a bit similar to the body washing at the HoBaW in show, that was the only thing that stood out to me.
What I mean to say is... there is no way this is how it will happen in the book. To me, this stinks of the show trying to make the audience believe something, but leaving room for suspicion.
Also, the show loves bathing Jon in cold blue light. This is nothing new, although it was more evident while he was just lying there. Lots of thoughts on this, but since the show did not give us Coldhands, I still believe it's because a more important character needs to be Coldhanded.
Something absolutely is up with Ghost, too. Anyone remember D&D joking with Kit about becoming a warg in Season 6?
Regardless, I believe "our Jon Snow" will never be the same. Here's George:
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Post by Melifeather on May 2, 2016 12:01:48 GMT
What the farq was Mel doing? We've never seen a resurrection ritual with spa treatments and haircuts/beard grooming before. It certainly wasn't the way Thoros raised Berric, even if Mel was there to witness it, which she was not. She claims she doesn't know how Thoros did it. So what was all that mumbo jumbo? The body washing seemed a bit similar to the body washing at the HoBaW in show, that was the only thing that stood out to me. What I mean to say is... there is no way this is how it will happen in the book. To me, this stinks of the show trying to make the audience believe something, but leaving room for suspicion. Also, the show loves bathing Jon in cold blue light. This is nothing new, although it was more evident while he was just lying there. Lots of thoughts on this, but since the show did not give us Coldhands, I still believe it's because a more important character needs to be Coldhanded. Something absolutely is up with Ghost, too. Anyone remember D&D joking with Kit about becoming a warg in Season 6? Regardless, I believe "our Jon Snow" will never be the same. Here's George: As a man of the Night's Watch, Jon was a Drowned Man and was resuscitated by the breath of the cold winds rising. This is canon whether you recognize what I've been talking about these last few months or not. I felt validated last night when Bloodraven pulled Bran back from the vision at Winterfell. He said, It's beautiful under the sea, but if you stay too long you'll drown. Bran retorts that he wasn't drowning, that he was home. It doesn't get much better than this!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 2, 2016 12:07:30 GMT
Absolutely!
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 2, 2016 14:21:51 GMT
What the farq was Mel doing? We've never seen a resurrection ritual with spa treatments and haircuts/beard grooming before. It certainly wasn't the way Thoros raised Berric, even if Mel was there to witness it, which she was not. She claims she doesn't know how Thoros did it. So what was all that mumbo jumbo? The body washing seemed a bit similar to the body washing at the HoBaW in show, that was the only thing that stood out to me. I think there's an aspect of ritual in what she was doing. At least that's how I read it. We know that Thoros was moved to give his friend the honoured treatment when Beric died the first time, and he says he did it because he didn't know what else to do. Mel is doing the same thing. She's been asked to perform their version of extreme unction in the hopes that it will raise Jon. But just like Thoros, she's no clue what it is about doing so that will be the difference this time. So she goes through the motions and tries to do it as she was most likely taught to do it, and maybe even done so before. It's the final repetition of words that I don't understand. Clearly they must be some High Valyrian equivalent of 'what is dead may never die' but it kind of sounded as if she was saying the same phrase, or something similar, earlier as well, while she was grooming him.
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Post by min on May 2, 2016 14:28:49 GMT
What to make of Tyrion and the dragons? A part of me feels it was a bit corny. And part of me wonders if Tyrion is one of the heads of the dragon. According to Aemon; Dany needs advisors and he is too old to help her. He says the dragon must have three heads. The new red woman didn't show up to bamboozle Tyrion this week. New Trailer:
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Post by Melifeather on May 2, 2016 14:30:16 GMT
I don't think Melisandre's fire magic is what raised Jon nor Beric. The whole North is upside down and underwater and therefore subject to the Drowned God religion where followers are drowned in death and resuscitated by life giving air. These are the other two elemental magics that we haven't seen in the books since we were told about the marriage of Durran Godsgrief, the first Storm Lord, to Elenei, the daughter of the god of the sea and goddess of the wind. I'm telling you a hinge has been opened!
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 2, 2016 14:32:43 GMT
Meera, for her part, seems jaded and restless, but the Child of the Forest assures her that Bran will need her. “He won’t be in there forever,” she tells the girl. Yeah, I was wondering about that too. WTF is she banging on about? Why would they leave and where would they go? If all he had to do was pitch up next to a weirwood and roll his eyes back, why the long trek up there to learn how to do it? He could've gone somewhere else and learned how to do that. I can see Bran in the books not remaining in the cave, but I can't see him going off somewhere until after his part in the war for the dawn is done. Unless the only way to defeat the Others is to go into the heart of winter, why would Bran have to leave? And even then, it would make more sense if he travelled as Hodor, rather than a cripple, so technically he wouldn't actually leave the cave.
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Post by Melifeather on May 2, 2016 14:36:11 GMT
Speaking of Duran the Storm Lord, I just posted an essay about a new theory I'm developing that attempts to tie together Robert Baratheon as the most current Storm Lord and the storm he created, and how he may be connected to the Citadel and the Faith of the Seven. It's not as simplified as I would like, but if you have time you can get a gander at it here: A Song of Ice and Fire Battles the Citadel
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Post by Melifeather on May 2, 2016 14:38:00 GMT
Meera, for her part, seems jaded and restless, but the Child of the Forest assures her that Bran will need her. “He won’t be in there forever,” she tells the girl. Yeah, I was wondering about that too. WTF is she banging on about? Why would they leave and where would they go? If all he had to do was pitch up next to a weirwood and roll his eyes back, why the long trek up there to learn how to do it? He could've gone somewhere else and learned how to do that. I can see Bran in the books not remaining in the cave, but I can't see him going off somewhere until after his part in the war for the dawn is done. Unless the only way to defeat the Others is to go into the heart of winter, why would Bran have to leave? And even then, it would make more sense if he travelled as Hodor, rather than a cripple, so technically he wouldn't actually leave the cave. Well, if you believe that Euron was once an apprentice like Bran, he was able to leave.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 2, 2016 14:52:07 GMT
The body washing seemed a bit similar to the body washing at the HoBaW in show, that was the only thing that stood out to me. I said this same thing to Mr. Pig! The whole ritual smacked of the FM and HoBaW - the cleansing, the grooming (wasn't there a thing about fingernail clipping and whatnot in Arya's bit?), and then of course the ritualization of the taking of the "essence", whether it's face or hair or whatever. Very interesting. I am skeptical of Mel being the waking agent. Thoros actually gave Beric the kiss of life/fire, whereas Mel only recited words. Thoros was successful because he had a surge of sudden faith; Mel had lost her faith and was doing it only out of desperation. I'm curious to see what Jon returns as and whether or not this can be attributed to Mel's magic - I don't think he's going to be much like Beric at all, other than he's been resurrected. The scene Bran saw with Ned/Ben/Lyanna/Hodor was good...although I gotta say, I didn't get the impression from Lyanna that she would be the type to fall head over heels for a lovely girlyman prince. Given how interested Bran was in HodorWyllis, I think we'll see that ultimately Bran was responsible for Hodor's hodoring - he goes back in time to try and help him/prevent "it", but paradoxically causes "it". The Euron thing...nice to see D&D use some text from the book, but had I been Unsullied watching this, I would have no idea what the hell was happening - some dude claiming to be Balon's brother, a dude who looks about 40 years younger, shows up and starts babbling about being a god before tossing his bro off a bridge? Huh? In the books, of course, Euron's physical appearance is couched in sorcery, but the show seems like it will gloss over that for the most part. I'm assuming that viewers will get Euron's full backstory in future eps - I hope so at least, otherwise this will just be something of a head-scratcher for a storyline that many viewers already don't like that much. Ramsay/Roose, oh look, my shocked face. Who would have ever seen that coming. Seriously though, while I think this may play out in the books as well, I hope that GRRM won't make it so obvious and ham-fisted. Ramsay mentioned having Manderly in his corner, and we know in book-world that Wyman is playing a long game with the Boltons...I'm excited to see how this works and what the Late Lord Frey's reaction will be to the death of his daughter and loss of connection to the North.
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