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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 20:33:35 GMT
Here's the scene
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 20:40:34 GMT
lol, showbadger.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 20:58:22 GMT
Also, I did see that Howland is still on the ground by the time the fight necks down to three people - Ned, Arthur, and turban guy. @ 3:11 in the vid below. He's also holding his chest/arm after he stabs AD, so if he did go up the steps and back down again, he must have teleported. (Perhaps in my Marvel research I should have compared Howland and Nightcrawler?)
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 21:12:54 GMT
Last thing, re: the swords - the sword that Ned is using is most definitely NOT Ice. Compare that S1 photo of him holding it groundward to the sword on the ground at TOJ - Ice is much, much larger. The hilt is probably twice the length and the crossguard much wider. The design of the crossguard and pommel is the same, which tells me that the "look" may be a Starky-family thing and is intentional.
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 22:47:46 GMT
It's supposed to be a greatsword. Ned's doesn't have Ice with him at ToJ. That picture is so phallic, it's hysterical. I never notice stuff like that especially when discussing size and shape or I'd be too embarrassed to post it. But you're right; it's hysterical.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 22:50:28 GMT
There was some discussion at Westeros of Ice not being used in the tower brawl. Don't know where that came from, a SSM or hearsay or whatever. Ice would be a ceremonial sword, at least for Ned. Dawn is also a great sword so there should be no dual wielding with Dawn in hand.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 22:58:27 GMT
Rewatching the fight scene you guys posted... - Dayne sticks Dawn in the ground when the northmen walk up to the KG - Ned says Rhaegar lies beneath the ground -- really? didn't Martin say Rhaegar was cremated? Way to listen to the author guys. - Our prince wanted us here. -- Oh so D&D can listen, they just like making assumptions to ambiguously answered questions. Thanks. - Where's my sister? -- finally! a sensible question that was never before asked. - Yeah, good luck storming the tower boys. - Nice evasion there Dayne, 'I wish you good fortune in the wars to come' -- what wars, it was all over by this time. - Ned kills Whent by stabbing him through the neck, from head on -- nice (or horrible) symmetry there. - Sorry but Ned is one helluva swordsman to have lasted as long as he did against Dayne. He even gets some offence in against him. - Show world's story must be quite different to the book story, you know the one Ned never talked about in-book? the story that was only ever said he would've died except for Howland. Yeah, I can just see Ned bragging to his kids about beating the Sword of the Morning. Sure. - The scream is definitely a woman tormented. Though it's not like in Ned's fever dream where Lyanna actually calls him by name. So maybe some hope there. - Ned definitely hears Bran. What else could make him pause so long on the steps without turning? He waits a while before turning as if he's afraid of what he'll see. - And WTF is in that tower!? Howland, do you already know?
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 23:05:21 GMT
Back to the dialogue, notice that Arthur says nothing of protecting a king. "Our prince wanted us here" is the reason given by Arthur. Rhaegar or another prince? "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come." Sounds like Arthur expects to lose the fight while Ned lives to ride away. I think Arthur was correct when he said, "now it begins." Or it could be that Ned was wrong that it ends.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 23:13:30 GMT
Ned says Rhaegar lies beneath the ground -- really? didn't Martin say Rhaegar was cremated? Way to listen to the author guys. I meant to bring this up also. Buried? Eh Ned kills Whent by stabbing him through the neck, from head on -- nice (or horrible) symmetry there. Good call. Ned definitely hears Bran. What else could make him pause so long on the steps without turning? He waits a while before turning as if he's afraid of what he'll see. As with the book version in the godswood when Bran calls out to his father, Ned already experienced that in the past, which was his present when Bran watched it play out. It is Bran that is just now experiencing the moment.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 23:24:09 GMT
... are we sure he's out of the picture? I'm not so sure of separations anymore. Won't be convinced until I see him dead and burned.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 23:46:41 GMT
As with the book version in the godswood when Bran calls out to his father, Ned already experienced that in the past, which was his present when Bran watched it play out. It is Bran that is just now experiencing the moment. I mean, Bran was already there in Ned's past, but Bran didn't know it because he had yet to experience that moment until his present self did so.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 9, 2016 23:59:34 GMT
Rewatching the episode and I can't believe I missed part of Mel's little Q&A with Jon the first time through. She says to Jon, "The lord let you come back for a reason. Stannis was not the prince that was promised, but someone has to be." Uhhh
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 10, 2016 0:12:49 GMT
repeat is on HBO in 18 minutes
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Post by winterbowl on May 10, 2016 0:18:17 GMT
I think we're gonna get a surprise inside that tower. They haven't done enough to establish Rhaegar to a modern TV audience and haven't cast an actor to play him even though just one Bran tree vision of them eloping would do a lot to help the viewer understand.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 10, 2016 0:30:57 GMT
As with the book version in the godswood when Bran calls out to his father, Ned already experienced that in the past, which was his present when Bran watched it play out. It is Bran that is just now experiencing the moment. I mean, Bran was already there in Ned's past, but Bran didn't know it because he had yet to experience that moment until his present self did so. Yeah, I know what meant. It's the time paradox thing, Bran had to call out, because Ned already heard him. So Bran's fulfilling his role by do what he did. In other words, it wouldn't matter how many times he goes back, that moment of Ned pausing and turning is already there, the only factor that was missing was Bran experiencing it.
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