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Post by min on May 17, 2016 1:04:13 GMT
I was looking at the promo video for next week. Check out that tree behind Bran. Are those tombstones? Is this supposed to be Bran's vision of the heart of winter? .22 www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ5QtQ59Nc8
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 17, 2016 1:06:26 GMT
The runes on Yohn Royce's cloak are from his show sigil. I found it online and translated it. It says :RUN:BEFORE.YOUR.BLOOD.RUNSI have no idea how canon these runes are, but cool nonetheless. So even though the words of House Royce are "We Remember", the sigil of House Royce on the show translates as "Run Before Your Blood Runs"
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Post by cooterian15 on May 17, 2016 1:19:52 GMT
You're right...I should'nt...if the synapses has them in a romance, then I'm hoping he's not related. I don't know about the letter but does this come from the old heresy that the stark bloodline is kept through the female line? The old heresy had to do with Bael the Bard lying with one of the Stark females and begatting (sic) a male son to the Stark line. If memory serves me correct the Stark's had no males at that time, only the female to carry on the name.
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Post by cooterian15 on May 17, 2016 1:37:40 GMT
Legend of Bael the Bard The lord of the North at this time, Lord Brandon Stark, once called Bael a coward. To take revenge of this affront and prove his courage, Bael climbed the Wall, took the kingsroad and entered Winterfell under the guise of a singer named Sygerrik of Skagos, which means "deceiver" in the old language of Skagos. There, he sang until midnight for the lord.
Impressed by his skills as a singer, Lord Stark asked him what he wanted as a reward, and Bael only asked for the most beautiful flower blooming in Winterfell's gardens. As the blue winter roses were just blooming, Brandon Stark accepted to offer him one. But the following morning, the single, virgin daughter of the lord had disappeared, and in her bed was the blue winter rose.[2]
Lord Brandon sent the members of the Night's Watch looking for them beyond the Wall, but they never found neither Bael nor the girl. The Stark line was on the verge of extinction, when one day the girl was back in her room, holding in her hand an infant: they had actually never left Winterfell, staying hidden in the crypts. Bael's bastard with the daughter of the Lord Stark became the new Lord Stark.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 17, 2016 1:38:04 GMT
I didn't notice the runes either. Does Sansa know that Jon was dead? It's like Jon's death was just the ultimate cliffhanger and plot device to get Jon out of Castle Black. I hope there is more to his second life than that. One small catch on this rewatch - the Night's Watch hasn't got any better at brewing ale because it's too cold. They should brew lager!
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Post by Melifeather on May 17, 2016 1:53:21 GMT
Royce's runes are from his show sigil I found it online and translated it. It says :RUN:BEFORE.YOUR.BLOOD.RUNSI have no idea how canon these runes are, but cool nonetheless. How did you figure this out?
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Post by cooterian15 on May 17, 2016 3:36:35 GMT
I didn't notice the runes either. Does Sansa know that Jon was dead? It's like Jon's death was just the ultimate cliffhanger and plot device to get Jon out of Castle Black. I hope there is more to his second life than that. One small catch on this rewatch - the Night's Watch hasn't got any better at brewing ale because it's too cold. They should brew lager! I'm saying that she does..at least in the mummer's version. There is a scene where Jon say's that he can no longer stay at Castle Black...for obvious reasons. I'm guessing that means the Sansa know's he was dead and has come back.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 17, 2016 9:23:14 GMT
Royce's runes are from his show sigil I found it online and translated it. It says :RUN:BEFORE.YOUR.BLOOD.RUNSI have no idea how canon these runes are, but cool nonetheless. How did you figure this out? Also, the Citadel says their sigil is just "bordered with runes" and does not specifiy what they say. They wouldn't actually translate letter for letter into the Common Tongue anyway. Here is their version, pretty sure the runes were chosen randomly
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 17, 2016 10:31:44 GMT
I didn't notice the runes either. Does Sansa know that Jon was dead? It's like Jon's death was just the ultimate cliffhanger and plot device to get Jon out of Castle Black. I hope there is more to his second life than that. One small catch on this rewatch - the Night's Watch hasn't got any better at brewing ale because it's too cold. They should brew lager! I'm saying that she does..at least in the mummer's version. There is a scene where Jon say's that he can no longer stay at Castle Black...for obvious reasons. I'm guessing that means the Sansa know's he was dead and has come back. It does seem like she would know. She should know. Besides the initial shock of Jon being alive without blue eyes, it's like he was never dead. And Mel, she claims him the prince that was promised without any of the qualifiers that Stannis had. So what's really going on here?
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Post by min on May 17, 2016 11:45:53 GMT
I'm saying that she does..at least in the mummer's version. There is a scene where Jon say's that he can no longer stay at Castle Black...for obvious reasons. I'm guessing that means the Sansa know's he was dead and has come back. It does seem like she would know. She should know. Besides the initial shock of Jon being alive without blue eyes, it's like he was never dead. And Mel, she claims him the prince that was promised without any of the qualifiers that Stannis had. So what's really going on here? That's for sure. He eats, drinks and still feels the pain of his stab wounds if you look at him wincing when he was hugged by Dolorous Ed. They'll have to kill him in the end. I don't know, can you kill a dead man? Jon's not dead, not even close to being dead. I hope they're not planning something cheezy like a Jon/Dany hookup. Wouldn't that send a particular audience over the moon.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 17, 2016 14:17:27 GMT
Coldhand and Lady Stoneheart are easily identified as former corpses, and of course both were jettisoned for the show. Perhaps the closest analog is Beric, outside of his wounds, he didn't appear as corpse-like, perhaps because he was resurrected so soon after he died. I don't remember if show Beric had the flammable blood like book Beric did. It will be interesting to see if they give that trait to Jon.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 17, 2016 15:12:09 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened for Mel to resurrect Jon. Some muttered words and frying up barber shop scraps doesn't seem enough to me. In the book, it happened off-page with Cat/literally behind closed doors with Beric and Thoros, so I can't help but think GRRM is holding back part of the recipe.
The flipside of this train of thought is that his Unjonning had nothing to do with Mel.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 17, 2016 15:29:10 GMT
What she does in the show to resurrect Jon, is awfully similar to how book Melisandre describes casting a glamor:
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Post by Melifeather on May 17, 2016 15:40:43 GMT
The flipside of this train of thought is that his Unjonning had nothing to do with Mel. I agree this had nothing to do with Mel and everything to do with the hinge being opened and magic has been released.
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Post by min on May 17, 2016 15:46:24 GMT
Coldhand and Lady Stoneheart are easily identified as former corpses, and of course both were jettisoned for the show. Perhaps the closest analog is Beric, outside of his wounds, he didn't appear as corpse-like, perhaps because he was resurrected so soon after he died. I don't remember if show Beric had the flammable blood like book Beric did. It will be interesting to see if they give that trait to Jon. I recall Beric cutting his hand to set the blade on fire in the show. Thoros hands him the sword though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyvjgs40OoJon's resurrection looks too much like Faceless Man ritual to rule that magic out. Also a lot of Melisandre's early dialogue about the gods is surprisingly similar to what Arya hears from Jaqen and the priests in the temple. I think there are connections to the HoB&W and the magic involved with the wall's construction. Melisandre says that she is more powerful at the wall; that even her word is more powerful. There was healing of his body involved and he still feels pain. Beric has to be similar if he can be killed several times over. But I am conflating the book and the show.
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