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Post by min on May 13, 2016 19:06:50 GMT
Even the faceless men have the face of an infant on their wall. Arya notices it when she gets her first face; the ugly little girl chapter in DwD.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 13, 2016 20:02:45 GMT
Yeah, I wasn't questioning your statement I was just shocked I didn't remember that. Good catch!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 13, 2016 20:16:44 GMT
Even the faceless men have the face of an infant on their wall. I completely missed this as well, and think my mind just totally shut down at the implications of that. There is the FACE of an INFANT on the wall of the HoBaW in BRAAVOS that can be used on presumably ANOTHER BABY to disguise that child's identity? ?
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Post by Melifeather on May 13, 2016 20:27:57 GMT
Here I was thinking the face of the infant indicated that they would not hesitate to bring the gift to an infant... I guess it would be convenient to cover up Targaryen silver-gold hair with brown or black hair...
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Post by Melifeather on May 13, 2016 20:29:28 GMT
I hope alienarea doesn't feel like we've all hijacked his thread!
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 20:43:50 GMT
Even the faceless men have the face of an infant on their wall. I completely missed this as well, and think my mind just totally shut down at the implications of that. There is the FACE of an INFANT on the wall of the HoBaW in BRAAVOS that can be used on presumably ANOTHER BABY to disguise that child's identity? ? I'll get the quote or eat my hat.
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 20:52:04 GMT
Here we go... The Ugly Little Girl DwD:
A thousand faces were gazing down at her.
They hung upon the walls everywhere she turned. She saw old faces and young faces, pale faces and dark faces, smooth faces and wrinkled faces, freckled faces and scarred face, handsome faces and homely faces, men and women, boys and girls, even babes, smiling faces, frowning faces, faces full of greed and rage and lust, bald faces and faces bristling with hair. Masks, she told herself, it's only masks, be even as she thought the thought, she know it wasn't so. They were skins.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 13, 2016 20:58:16 GMT
I'll. be. damned.
Remember GRRM talking about the "very, VERY subtle" clues he drops in the story? That's so subtle it's practically invisible.
Hot diggity, I feel a crackpot coming on!
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Post by alienarea on May 13, 2016 22:29:19 GMT
I'll. be. damned. Remember GRRM talking about the "very, VERY subtle" clues he drops in the story? That's so subtle it's practically invisible. Hot diggity, I feel a crackpot coming on! Like a baby face from Lys used to glamour a baby from Fleabottom to make him look like Aegon?
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 22:54:51 GMT
I'll. be. damned. Remember GRRM talking about the "very, VERY subtle" clues he drops in the story? That's so subtle it's practically invisible. Hot diggity, I feel a crackpot coming on! Like a baby face from Lys used to glamour a baby from Fleabottom to make him look like Aegon? Or the real deal disguised to hide his Targ genotype? I don't think fAegon is a fake and I don't think Elia's son survived. I've always wondered how Ned returned to Winterfell with an infant, a wet nurse, and his sister's bones. And how Ashara escaped across the sea with fAegon to Mopatis' place. Where face mummery was performed and where Tyrion is dressed in a little boy's clothes. The story of the the Fisherman's Daughter ties that up neatly. Involving Varys no doubt. ETA: I think the 'mummer's farce' is in trying to pass off Rhaegar's illegitimate son as his legitimate son.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 14, 2016 0:37:38 GMT
I think the 'mummer's farce' is in trying to pass off Rhaegar's illegitimate son as his legitimate son. Totally with you here. I'm thinking Ashara was the mother of at least one of Rhaegar's children - Rhaenys may** have been the real deal, but any after that were via a surrogate. **I say "may" because my gut is telling me that Elia was getting some on the side too.
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Post by min on May 14, 2016 7:34:52 GMT
I think the 'mummer's farce' is in trying to pass off Rhaegar's illegitimate son as his legitimate son. Totally with you here. I'm thinking Ashara was the mother of at least one of Rhaegar's children - Rhaenys may** have been the real deal, but any after that were via a surrogate. **I say "may" because my gut is telling me that Elia was getting some on the side too. It's creepy to think that faceless men are involved disguising an infant. I think it involves more than one face replacement as the child grows. When does is that stop and mummer's trickery take it's place? I think it lends weight to the idea that Lyanna paid the blood price for something and does it necessarily involve an MMD ritual or something else? Not unlike Jon's resurrection given the faceless man aspect to that ritual. Is it possible that they too can bring back a life in exchange for death? That might fit with the possibility that the Quiet Isle is home to one or more FM. That leaves the question of what is in the ToJ unresolved. Could there be another explanation to account for a hatchling?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 14, 2016 13:46:01 GMT
Here we go... The Ugly Little Girl DwD: A thousand faces were gazing down a her. They hung upon the walls everywhere she turned. She saw old faces and young faces, pale faces and dark faces, smooth faces and wrinkled faces, freckled faces and scarred face, handsome faces and homely faces, men and women, boys and girls, even babes, smiling faces, frowning faces, faces full of greed and rage and lust, bald faces and faces bristling with hair. Masks, she told herself, it's only masks, be even as she thought the thought, she know it wasn't so. They were skins. That's like the line in HP and the Order of the Phoenix 'and there was a locket no one could open.' Seems like nothing in and amongst all the garbage, but latter it turns out to be of pivotal importance to the end game.
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Post by min on May 14, 2016 14:58:33 GMT
Here we go... The Ugly Little Girl DwD: A thousand faces were gazing down a her. They hung upon the walls everywhere she turned. She saw old faces and young faces, pale faces and dark faces, smooth faces and wrinkled faces, freckled faces and scarred face, handsome faces and homely faces, men and women, boys and girls, even babes, smiling faces, frowning faces, faces full of greed and rage and lust, bald faces and faces bristling with hair. Masks, she told herself, it's only masks, be even as she thought the thought, she know it wasn't so. They were skins. That's like the line in HP and the Order of the Phoenix 'and there was a locket no one could open.' Seems like nothing in and amongst all the garbage, but latter it turns out to be of pivotal importance to the end game. Hiding in plain sight in other words. I'm looking for another quote by Melisandre on another subject that I think fits into the subtle clue category.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 14, 2016 17:15:52 GMT
Melisandre mentions that no (blood) sacrifice is more precious that a child. The Faceless will accept a child as payment for the gift if that is the highest price the giftee can pay.
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