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Post by min on May 15, 2016 20:46:53 GMT
A bit of a misdirection I should think. Ebony is also a color, a shade of black. Hence, shade of the evening. Finally the stair opened. To her right, a set of wide wooden doors had been thrown open. The were fashioned of ebony and weirwod, the black and white grains swirling and twisting in strange interwoven patterns. Or fire magic being contained with ice magic? One magic countering the other? Or the potential to cancel each other out and become inert like obsidian; frozen fire.
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Post by Melifeather on May 15, 2016 21:02:34 GMT
I think it all goes back to the oral story of Elenei, daughter of two gods: the god of the sea and the goddess of the wind. The gods were angry because Elenei chose a mortal existence in order to marry the first Storm Lord. To me this story is a symbolic telling of how magic used to be free throughout Westeros, but was contained and warded for the benefit of humans. The Children stole "Elenei" and warded it, closing the hinge on magic. That's why I think the hinge has been reopened and magic has been released, and that's why dragons hatched, direwolves reconnected with the Starks, and the dead can now be resurrected. It just occurred to me that if my theory about Robert taking Lyanna is true, then the Storm Lord got his revenge on "ice magic" now that "Elenei" has been returned to the gods. Heh Actually...I don't think the hinge was reopened until right before they found the direwolf pups, but Robert the Storm Lord causing Lyanna's death may have been a blood sacrifice of ice magic helping to reopen the hinge and setting Elenei/magic free. Ice countering the fire magic that was used to close the hinge in the first place.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 16, 2016 0:09:52 GMT
It just occurred to me that if my theory about Robert taking Lyanna is true, then the Storm Lord got his revenge on "ice magic" now that "Elenei" has been returned to the gods. Heh Oh I see what you mean. Would this be what causes the hinge to open, the relaxing of the wards since he was avenged?
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 16, 2016 0:38:58 GMT
(in the book) Thoro says he gave Beric the "fiery kiss" and blew fire down his throat. And when Beric rose Catelyn he gave her the kiss as well. Melisandre never gave Jon the fiery kiss, that is why I don't believe she was responsible for raising him.
I'm beginning to the think you're right on that. There's always the possibility that the land itself is responsible for the return of the dead. I've only skimmed this thread so far so sorry if I'm repeating what's been said before. I must say that Westeros is the place to be for the undead. The Faceless Men come the closest to that, but nothing like we've seen in the north and the Riverlands. But I've been saying Westeros is the key to the undead for a while. And so have others, iirc. Home of the weirwoods, the ravens, and the lands far enough north to freeze. . . . To the OP, I don't see anything new in Ran and Linda's 'observations.' Just saying.
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 3:23:01 GMT
It just occurred to me that if my theory about Robert taking Lyanna is true, then the Storm Lord got his revenge on "ice magic" now that "Elenei" has been returned to the gods. Heh Oh I see what you mean. Would this be what causes the hinge to open, the relaxing of the wards since he was avenged? I wouldn't think it would be quite that easy and unintentional, but it does seem to be an inversion.
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 3:24:22 GMT
I'm beginning to the think you're right on that. There's always the possibility that the land itself is responsible for the return of the dead. I've only skimmed this thread so far so sorry if I'm repeating what's been said before. I must say that Westeros is the place to be for the undead. The Faceless Men come the closest to that, but nothing like we've seen in the north and the Riverlands. But I've been saying Westeros is the key to the undead for a while. And so have others, iirc. Home of the weirwoods, the ravens, and the lands far enough north to freeze. . . . To the OP, I don't see anything new in Ran and Linda's 'observations.' Just saying. I thought they had brought up a couple thoughts that I hadn't before, like could a horse's life-force bring back a human life? And the multiple women sacrificed for Robert Strong.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 16, 2016 23:43:46 GMT
I've only skimmed this thread so far so sorry if I'm repeating what's been said before. I must say that Westeros is the place to be for the undead. The Faceless Men come the closest to that, but nothing like we've seen in the north and the Riverlands. But I've been saying Westeros is the key to the undead for a while. And so have others, iirc. Home of the weirwoods, the ravens, and the lands far enough north to freeze. . . . To the OP, I don't see anything new in Ran and Linda's 'observations.' Just saying. I thought they had brought up a couple thoughts that I hadn't before, like could a horse's life-force bring back a human life? And the multiple women sacrificed for Robert Strong. I didnt actually watch the video, I read the highlights that you posted. Still, I think they are rehashing what has been said before. Good topics to explore and discuss though.
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Post by Melifeather on May 17, 2016 0:36:49 GMT
I thought they had brought up a couple thoughts that I hadn't before, like could a horse's life-force bring back a human life? And the multiple women sacrificed for Robert Strong. I didnt actually watch the video, I read the highlights that you posted. Still, I think they are rehashing what has been said before. Good topics to explore and discuss though. I think the darn video is like 45 minutes long, so I'm sure I missed a lot in my highlights!
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