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Post by Weasel Pie on May 25, 2016 17:56:38 GMT
I think D&D have a lot of 'splainin' to do to the Unsullied. These are same questions we book readers have of course, but D&D need to have the audience care why Hodor and Summer and BR and some of the CotF sacrificed themselves to save Bran.
What's so important about Bran? If he just turns into a tree, who cares if he has history lessons for all eternity? Unless he actually does things that affect the greater good of all involved, he might as well have died and be done with it.
Instead, D&D are going the route that Bran is a time traveler, and there is something about that that's very important to the CotF, unBR, etc.
So what is it? That he CAN'T affect anything?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 25, 2016 22:46:31 GMT
On a different note, I thought it was cool to show the waterfall at Winterfell Ground Zero. I suppose that became the water source for the black pool?
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Post by Melifeather on May 25, 2016 22:57:44 GMT
I think D&D have a lot of 'splainin' to do to the Unsullied. These are same questions we book readers have of course, but D&D need to have the audience care why Hodor and Summer and BR and some of the CotF sacrificed themselves to save Bran. What's so important about Bran? If he just turns into a tree, who cares if he has history lessons for all eternity? Unless he actually does things that affect the greater good of all involved, he might as well have died and be done with it. Instead, D&D are going the route that Bran is a time traveler, and there is something about that that's very important to the CotF, unBR, etc. So what is it? That he CAN'T affect anything? No, I'm with you WeaselPie. He wasn't brought all that way to just sit and watch. He's got a job to do, but what we've got to figure out is "what"? I agree he can change the future by influencing the past. I'm a little hesitant to say that he can change the past, because Bloodraven told him he couldn't, BUT maybe "couldn't" wasn't exactly true. I'm thinking that Bloodraven thought what he's done so far was the best outcomes he could come up with. I just think it's a bit suspicious that as long as Bloodraven was still roaming the Seven Kingdoms that he kept the Targaryens in power and foiled the Backfyres over and over again, but surely the Backfyres aren't the only threat? And speaking of threats, we need to ask, "threats to whom"? Are the Others the biggest threat? Is that who he's supposed to defeat, or is it actually the Andals and their Faith of the Seven, which GRRM has hinted is embroiled in some type of conspiracy. Will the Others be allowed into the realm in order to defeat the Andals and the Faith? What is the motive here? What do the Children care about and why are they trying to take action? They don't seem to think that it will help them stay longer upon Westeros, and they said the Starks would outlive them all, so what is so important?
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Post by alienarea on May 26, 2016 6:07:19 GMT
Some fun: in Germany ?(and I guess in other countries as well) the show gets synchronized. "Hold the door" would translate to "Halte die Tür". So Hodor should be named Hadür? :-) Will I now get new blue rays where he is called Hadür since season 1?
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 26, 2016 9:33:27 GMT
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Post by snowfyre on May 26, 2016 13:03:03 GMT
Alright. Somebody's gotta do this. Apologies in advance if it feels too soon, but... And of course the more basic version, which you could make at home: And for the workplace elevator...: (Those last two are attachments, so you can enlarge them by clicking.)
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Post by snowfyre on May 26, 2016 13:06:34 GMT
(Really this just emphasizes what a groan-inducingly bad idea this "Hodor" concept was, from the very beginning. Because even if it wasn't intended as a bad joke... it is one now. ) ETA: It cracks me up that our code for the facepalm emoji is mispelled. Not sure if that was intentional or not, but now I want to call that move a "faceplam." Somehow that just seems fitting.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 26, 2016 14:49:38 GMT
On a different note, I thought it was cool to show the waterfall at Winterfell Ground Zero. I suppose that became the water source for the black pool? You think that's Winterfell? I think in the books it will be Winterfell, but I don't think they meant that in the show. I'm thinking this is the show world's version of the heart of winter. Did the waterfall continue to run in the background on Bran's second visit?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 26, 2016 14:54:00 GMT
On a different note, I thought it was cool to show the waterfall at Winterfell Ground Zero. I suppose that became the water source for the black pool? You think that's Winterfell? I think in the books it will be Winterfell, but I don't think they meant that in the show. I'm thinking this is the show world's version of the heart of winter. Did the waterfall continue to run in the background on Bran's second visit? huh. It was my gut reaction, probably because I saw snow/ice in the distance. Also I immediately associated the ancient graveyard with the crypts. The waterfall was so deliberate, I figure we were supposed to associate it with a memorable source of water in the North. But maybe it's not Winterfell in ancient history, in which case, where is it? BR's cave?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 26, 2016 14:57:29 GMT
Oh a quick thing. My brother informed me that some of the most ancient trees on Earth - think redwoods or bristlecone pines - often have a spiral growth pattern. I haven't really looked into it, but supposedly it promotes longevity/resiliency or somesuch.
Re: Spiral pattern of tombstones around the tree roots. Not sure if it means anything. Connecting the dead bodies to the tree roots to feed the tree, allow the bodies to "go into" the tree?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 26, 2016 15:00:18 GMT
You think that's Winterfell? I think in the books it will be Winterfell, but I don't think they meant that in the show. I'm thinking this is the show world's version of the heart of winter. Did the waterfall continue to run in the background on Bran's second visit? huh. It was my gut reaction, probably because I saw snow/ice in the distance. Also I immediately associated the ancient graveyard with the crypts. The waterfall was so deliberate, I figure we were supposed to associate it with a memorable source of water in the North. But maybe it's not Winterfell in ancient history, in which case, where is it? BR's cave? Quoting self... I also think it's Winterfell because I believe Bran has a vision of the man being sacrificed in the book, and that takes place at Winterfell.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 26, 2016 15:06:11 GMT
Alright. Somebody's gotta do this. Apologies in advance if it feels too soon, but... And of course the more basic version, which you could make at home: And for the workplace elevator...: (Those last two are attachments, so you can enlarge them by clicking.) That last one kinda pisses me off. Not because of the joke, it's actually rather fitting after reading that article Flagons posted, but because I can see it having been put up before the episode actually aired. I think the leak happened early enough for that to have been taped on the button by Friday. While most people would see it as a joke and no more, those that saw the joke before they watched the show got the ending partially spoiled. Just like the asshat that shouted out to the Harry Potter fans queuing at the bookstore for their copy of The Half Blood Prince about the fate of Dumbledore. Or the reddit user a few years ago that posted homemade memes about the Purple Wedding in the GoT section over there. Some people are just miserable human beings.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 26, 2016 15:18:06 GMT
But maybe it's not Winterfell in ancient history, in which case, where is it? BR's cave? The landscape seems too different to be BR's cave. I thought it was Winterfell too, but then I thought how would they be gathering an army south of the Wall? See I took that round up of wights to be happening in the near past, as in last season's Hardhome episode, near past. I didn't remember seeing him in that armour during the scene where he turns Craster's son into an Other, so I could be way off. So far off that it is indeed Winterfell and this was the Long Night. Which, I hope is what we get in the books.
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Post by Melifeather on May 26, 2016 15:36:46 GMT
how would they be gathering an army south of the Wall? The wildlings are now south of the Wall, and I think they're connected to the Others.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 26, 2016 17:17:57 GMT
(Really this just emphasizes what a groan-inducingly bad idea this "Hodor" concept was, from the very beginning. Because even if it wasn't intended as a bad joke... it is one now. ) ETA: It cracks me up that our code for the facepalm emoji is mispelled. Not sure if that was intentional or not, but now I want to call that move a "faceplam." Somehow that just seems fitting. Haha. Faceplam does fit it well. I never noticed the misspell.
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