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Post by Maester Flagons on May 23, 2016 3:38:46 GMT
'Jon is as much a bastard son of Ned Stark, as Ramsay is of Roose Bolton.' Hhmmm. I missed that, but I did hear the line in the mummer's play when "Cersei" said she could feel the winds of winter sailing across the land. I don't think this is supposed to be a dig at GRRM and it doesn't feel like an homage...does it? Yeah, I caught that too. I don't know what they're aiming at.
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 3:43:38 GMT
Didn't she kill somebody and Jaqen told her it wasn't up to her to decide? That's why she stole the face, to kill Meryn Traunt. That's right! Good thing you've got a good memory! I seem to be failing miserably in that department tonight! What was her other strike then?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 23, 2016 4:02:46 GMT
Haven't watched the show yet, but I read some of your spoilers, and I think this show may be a big spoiler for the books, go back to ASOS and read an exchange between Cotter Pyke and Sam: "Sam the Slayer!" he said, by way of greeting. 'Are you sure you stabbed an Other, and not some child's snow knight?"
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 4:07:33 GMT
Haven't watched the show yet, but I read some of your spoilers, and I think this show may be a big spoiler for the books, go back to ASOS and read an exchange between Cotter Pyke and Sam: "Sam the Slayer!" he said, by way of greeting. 'Are you sure you stabbed an Other, and not some child's snow knight?" Wow. Isn't that ironic! It's kind of like hearing the name of the movie as a line in the movie.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 23, 2016 4:16:55 GMT
Haven't watched the show yet, but I read some of your spoilers, and I think this show may be a big spoiler for the books, go back to ASOS and read an exchange between Cotter Pyke and Sam: "Sam the Slayer!" he said, by way of greeting. 'Are you sure you stabbed an Other, and not some child's snow knight?" Wow. Isn't that ironic! It's kind of like hearing the name of the movie as a line in the movie. I went back and looked at some of the old heresies. We discussed this possibility as far back as Heresy 115 at least. I'm pretty sure that Ran took the shot at the Heresy forum because we were hitting the mark way too close for his comfort.
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 4:22:43 GMT
Wow. Isn't that ironic! It's kind of like hearing the name of the movie as a line in the movie. I went back and looked at some of the old heresies. We discussed this possibility as far back as Heresy 115 at least. I'm pretty sure that Ran took the shot at the Heresy forum because we were hitting the mark way too close for his comfort. Are you referring to the shot published in the World Book? I think they're jealous, because Heresy is the place to go on Westeros.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 23, 2016 4:30:28 GMT
I went back and looked at some of the old heresies. We discussed this possibility as far back as Heresy 115 at least. I'm pretty sure that Ran took the shot at the Heresy forum because we were hitting the mark way too close for his comfort. Are you referring to the shot published in the World Book? I think they're jealous, because Heresy is the place to go on Westeros. It was an interview about the World Book. In it he stated that R + L = J was a certainty and many of the theories with heresy in the name were particularly crackpot. My guess is Ran's primary purpose is to conduct a disinformation campaign on behalf of GRRM, which is why he went after the heresy thread, it was getting too close to the mark.
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 4:32:12 GMT
Are you referring to the shot published in the World Book? I think they're jealous, because Heresy is the place to go on Westeros. It was an interview about the World Book. In it he stated that R + L = J was a certainty and many of the theories with heresy in the name were particularly crackpot. My guess is Ran's primary purpose is to conduct a disinformation campaign on behalf of GRRM, which is why he went after the heresy thread, it was getting too close to the mark.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 23, 2016 4:45:20 GMT
I'm going to have to rewatch this one tomorrow, so many things that I need to resee when I'm not exhausted. Stupid questions of the night: Did anyone else notice the same ending for both Summer and Leaf? Tell me those wolves weren't sent by the old gods! (speaking of old gods, did you check out the Small Details thread I made? THERE IS A WEIRWOOD IN THE HALL OF FACES.) Are we sure BRAN was warging Hodor? That almost looked like NotBloodraven creating a shitstorm of a paradox on Bran's behalf.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 23, 2016 4:47:55 GMT
Is anyone else thinking Bran is going to change something in the TOJ with his powers? Absolutely. And my bigger question: what did NotBloodraven ALREADY change? "The past is already written; the ink is dry." "Do not seek to call him back from death." What did Mr. Brynden Rivers do that Bran should not do again?
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 4:51:36 GMT
I'm not following you with the NotBloodraven. What do you mean by that?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 23, 2016 5:13:45 GMT
Are we sure BRAN was warging Hodor? That almost looked like NotBloodraven creating a shitstorm of a paradox on Bran's behalf. I don't know. The best I got is this -- Bran himself was still skinchanging Hodor in the present, but the grief and pain of what he is doing to his friend by holding him there, caused him to simultaneously skinchange Walder/Willas accidentally by looking over at him and knowing he was doing this horrible thing to the boy standing behind him.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 23, 2016 11:20:52 GMT
So, the CotF created the first White Walker by plunging an obsidian dagger (looked like) into their heart. Along with, presumably, some other magic.
How did they get their powers to raise the dead? We don't see the CotF having those powers (or do they?). If obsidian kills them, how does it create them? What's up with Craster's son being turned by a touch, how are they working that one out? Still so many questions, aargh.
So, the WWs have some sort of superpowers to detect time travellers? And being able to touch Bran created a paradox/broke a hinge/door in time?
Also interesting that the WWs can control fire. But I think D&D have made the wights too spritely and nimble. And they eat their victims like zombies, what??
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 23, 2016 11:26:23 GMT
Are we sure BRAN was warging Hodor? That almost looked like NotBloodraven creating a shitstorm of a paradox on Bran's behalf. Since Bran was "in the past" I got the impression he was witnessing what happens when you're a warging time traveller. But the whole thing was odd, how Bran never really woke in the present time in the cave, yet still warged Hodor. Yo also. What was up with Young Ned sadly hugging Benjen, and the speech from Rickard to Ned (?)? Was Benjen going somewhere with Rickard? I need to rewatch that, I was so distracted by everything else happening. And no I didn't notice the weirwood in the Hall of Faces, aaarrrh
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Post by Melifeather on May 23, 2016 11:50:48 GMT
What was confusing to me was the fire ball turning blue. Was this the show's way of showing that the CotF used ice magic?
The way the wights were crawling on the walls and ceiling were certainly spider-like.
The books do say that the white walkers fed their armies of the dead with the slain.
I think this is where Ned was leaving for the Vale. I don't think Benjen was going anywhere, just that Ned was leaving. What would necessitate sending your son to the Vale at such a young age? Was this part of the alliance building, or were the Starks beholden to the Arryns for something?
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