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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 7, 2016 12:57:33 GMT
Surely the whole point is that they are not just lying around for anyone to pick up. No way Ramsey would've let her keep it. exactly And surely the other whole point is to seal and secure a communication until the recipient cracks it open. heh Stuff like this happens and I think... do D&D just presume people are stupid and won't notice?
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Post by ac on Jun 7, 2016 13:18:27 GMT
Surely the whole point is that they are not just lying around for anyone to pick up. No way Ramsey would've let her keep it. exactly And surely the other whole point is to seal and secure a communication until the recipient cracks it open. heh Stuff like this happens and I think... do D&D just presume people are stupid and won't notice? Hahaha the semi-whole points! The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that they spent so much time on some of the previous episodes (the Tower of Joy fight scene supposedly took 3 months of planning and 3 days to film for instance) that they just pushed this one through as a rush job.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 7, 2016 13:25:52 GMT
exactly And surely the other whole point is to seal and secure a communication until the recipient cracks it open. heh Stuff like this happens and I think... do D&D just presume people are stupid and won't notice? Hahaha the semi-whole points! The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that they spent so much time on some of the previous episodes (the Tower of Joy fight scene supposedly took 3 months of planning and 3 days to film for instance) that they just pushed this one through as a rush job. I've rewatched the ToJ scene so many times now... a waste of Max von Sydow, the fight scene is ridiculous and young Ned is cringeworthy. Not to mention the fact that they seem to have ignored that it's supposed to be a fever dream of Ned's, not an actual/factual memory. It's sort of lame in a way that GRRM is calling the show fan fiction now, but it gives me a small bit of hope that the rest of the novels will be more... novel. If we ever get to read them.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 7, 2016 13:48:50 GMT
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that they spent so much time on some of the previous episodes (the Tower of Joy fight scene supposedly took 3 months of planning and 3 days to film for instance) that they just pushed this one through as a rush job. I'm pretty sure this describes the entirety of the show from Season 3 onward, actually. "Red Wedding? NAILED IT! Oh, wait, there's more??!?!?"
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 7, 2016 13:51:28 GMT
"Red Wedding? NAILED IT! Oh, wait, there's more??!?!?" "Let's just recycle the same scenes over and over for Daenerys, with small changes" "Good idea Dan. And stab Arya pronto, we don't know where to lead her story yet." "Right. And let's turn Jon Snow into an ineffective idiot. His resurrection meant nothing."
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 7, 2016 13:54:32 GMT
"And let's spend gobs of money to secure A-rated actors for basically bit parts with zero substance!"
"AWESOME, David. OMG, we make the best team EVAR."
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 7, 2016 13:59:37 GMT
*nods*
Tyrion is shockingly out of character this season too. So is Varys. Melisandre turned into a mute. Davos has the lines that should have gone to Jon. Bronn is a waste of air. Jaime falls flat, the Blackfish ate him for breakfast - talking acting as well as writing. Cersei, nothing but blank looks and that strange whisper.
Strange that a season that had one of my favorite episodes also highlights the drastic flaws in the writing.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 7, 2016 15:10:22 GMT
Jaime falls flat, the Blackfish ate him for breakfast - talking acting as well as writing. Speaking of that encounter, I saw this at WotW and laughed audibly. Totally accurate.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 7, 2016 15:20:10 GMT
On the seal and the wax thing:-
I can see Sansa having pinched the seal from Winterfell and kept it hidden from Ramsay; I doubt he went through her clothing to see what she had in her pockets. And the servants would've left there, they at least Remember.
That said, where the bloody hell did she get the wax? Any wax laying around Castle Black would be black, not red. The books at least tell us explicitly that each house uses it's main colour in it's wax seal. The Starks use grey wax. She's on Glover territory, and the Glovers would use red, since their sigil is red background with a silver gauntleted fist. So did she pinch it from Glover? How?
And not only should she have used it to seal the letter, since it's going by raven and they can be brought down, the letter read and then use another raven to send it to the intended destination, something anyone using ravens would know, but the amount of wax she uses actually obscures what she's written. Sure the receiver would know the word is Winterfell, even though all that's left of the word after it's waxing is 'Winterf' but the point of a wax seal at the end of document is to authenticate it, not obscure the content. And a letter or note need not be authenticated any more than the wax on the outside to, you know, seal the letter.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 7, 2016 15:24:27 GMT
Yeah, but Jerome nailed that little air time. His 'Don't say it. Don't you fucking say it.' was brilliant. And speaking of Jerome, ac I don't know if you're old enough, but do you remember Robson & Jerome?
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Post by ac on Jun 7, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
Yeah, but Jerome nailed that little air time. His 'Don't say it. Don't you fucking say it.' was brilliant. And speaking of Jerome, ac I don't know if you're old enough, but do you remember Robson & Jerome? Holy sh*t I had no idea that was the same guy! I only have a vague recollection of them in Soldier, Soldier, and their singing career, but my little sister used to love Jerome.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 7, 2016 23:05:35 GMT
Holy sh*t I had no idea that was the same guy! I only have a vague recollection of them in Soldier, Soldier, and their singing career, but my little sister used to love Jerome. Right!? It's amazing, Robson did Wire in the Blood and now he's on Grantchester, nearly no one remembers him from Robson & Jerome. We watched Grantchester last year and I told my wife, she could not stop laughing at their Up on the Roof remake. And how remiss of me not to ask our other resident Brits if they too remember Robson & Jerome. Paulus pieceofgosa What say you?
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Post by ac on Jun 8, 2016 8:24:51 GMT
Right!? It's amazing, Robson did Wire in the Blood and now he's on Grantchester, nearly no one remembers him from Robson & Jerome. We watched Grantchester last year and I told my wife, she could not stop laughing at their Up on the Roof remake. And how remiss of me not to ask our other resident Brits if they too remember Robson & Jerome. Paulus pieceofgosa What say you? I just looked up Grantchester, they've actually called Robson's character Geordie . Also how is he playing a WW2 vet. He must be 30 years too young for that?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 8, 2016 13:52:13 GMT
And speaking of Jerome, ac I don't know if you're old enough, but do you remember Robson & Jerome? This is so funny to me - this was a fairly decent act in the UK, no? Never heard of them here in the US. It's always interesting to me what influence/pop culture crosses the pond and what doesn't.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 8, 2016 14:15:24 GMT
BTW....some enterprising soul in cyberspace grabbed a screenshot of Sansa's letter. Unfortunately the grab did not reveal from where the mystery seal came, but it DID show the contents of the letter! “Lord Baelish,
You swore to protect me. You failed. Now you have a chance to fulfill your promise. The knights of the Vale are under your command. Ride for Winterfell and lend us your aid and I shall see to it that you are rewarded."
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