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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 1, 2016 17:49:26 GMT
And why is this thread showing up at the bottom of the main page as the most recently updated, but I don't see it in any of the menus?? ETA: LOL, n/m, I'm a dummy. Collapsible menus.  |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 17:51:17 GMT
And we learn about her other dream, which seems to be about Arya's arrival at the Twins coinciding with the Red Wedding. What's crazy about this is that, although on the face of it, we as readers know that it was Sandor Clegane (who has a dog's helm) who kept Arya from trying to find her mother, it was her brother Robb that she saw with the dog's wolf's head. Hmmm. Food for thought. If this is a parallel or conflation with another story, could it be a warg preventing someone from saving a woman who is being murdered? It was the other dream she hated, the one where she had two feet instead of four. In that one she was always looking for her mother, stumbling through a wasted land of mud and blood and fire. It was always raining in that dream, and she could hear her mother screaming, but a monster with a dog's head would not let her go save her. Eh? LOL! Who is the monster with the dog's head? We know it's The Hound. Arya knows it's The Hound. So why doesn't Arya think it's The Hound? Does Arya ever see Sandor in the dog-helm? I can't remember. A symbolic "monster with a dog's head" might be... a warg. |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 18:08:34 GMT
I get a distinct North-of-the-Wall vibe from this. I also never noticed GRRM's glaring choice of the name Val before. And the bastard child who ran away from home. And a mention of slavery too. (Reminder that Mance's cloak was repaired with strips of crimson silk from the wreck of an Asshai-ish cog that was wrecked in the Bay of Ice. Which is bizarre. GRRM wants us to know it's not only bizarre but that it has meaning to the story. And GRRM further wants us to associate Jorah with slavery.) To continue the theme of GRRM wanting us to make name associations, we have Lanna, which brings both Lyanna Mormont and Lyanna Stark to mind. We also get some insight about what Arya thinks of "magic." And that mice are part of a magic trick, a sleight of hand. What makes me suspicious about the mouse-centric talk is that Arya often describes herself as a mouse throughout the novels. We also have the Mad Mouse. And Sam's encounter with the mouse in the library at the Wall. And Varys' little birds are alternately known as mice. Why am I so obsessed with the mice? Because of this, from the waif: Would it work on bears? In minute doses, would it give men courage to, I dunno, win a tourney against Jaime Lannister? These are all fabulous observations! The mouse hiding up the sleeve magic trick might be the baby/child swap. The paste spiced with blood may have been given to Ser Gregor so that he would be so mad with violence that he wouldn't notice that the children weren't Rhaenys and Aegon. I was thinking Jorah sold the children to Illyrio? There much more that begs commenting on, but I need more time to digest. |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 18:11:06 GMT
LOL! Who is the monster with the dog's head? We know it's The Hound. Arya knows it's The Hound. So why doesn't Arya think it's The Hound? Does Arya ever see Sandor in the dog-helm? I can't remember. A symbolic "monster with a dog's head" might be... a warg. I think it's the other dog, Ser Gregor. He was present during the Sack. |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 18:13:10 GMT
I'll get back to the above.
GRRM, again with an Other name, this one almost as blatant as Othor. But this time he gives us Belle (beautiful) Gere. Which is a feminine version of Gerald.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 18:14:45 GMT
The mouse hiding up the sleeve magic trick might be the baby/child swap. The paste spiced with blood may have been given to Ser Gregor so that he would be so mad with violence that he wouldn't notice that the children weren't Rhaenys and Aegon. nice!!! Agreed! |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 18:23:02 GMT
The Black Pearl," she told them. Merry claimed the Black Pearl was the most famous courtesan of all. "She's descended from the dragons, that one," the woman had told Cat. "The first Black Pearl was a pirate queen I can't wait to hear what you're thinking with the feminine version of Gerold...unless you think it's a connection to Ser Gerold Hightower? Also...Theon's dream of Lyanna...it's just a suspicion right now, but I'm always on the lookout for a clue that she may have been in the Iron Islands...I know it seems far-fetched, but maybe a blood pact between a "Blackfyre" and an ironborn pirate? |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 18:31:13 GMT
This is obvs back to the Lyanna/Bael the Bard story. Also has some Sansa overtones.
And the harp, no less, along with this spectacular Mance-ness. Cloak and boots, people.
And...Ashara threw herself off a tower, and the only Prince handy was Rhaegar - or possibly a Dornish Prince? Lyanna did not throw herself off a tower (that we know of). The Stark maiden in the Bael tale did, but the stupid prince in her tale was her son.
What if it happened just like Arya thinks it should have?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 18:44:29 GMT
I can't wait to hear what you're thinking with the feminine version of Gerold...unless you think it's a connection to Ser Gerold Hightower? Yes, Gerold Hightower, and I don't know if you remember reading theories that Qhorin Halfhand was actually Gerold. Or Arthur. Regardless, GRRM throws us a bone to connect Gerold to whatever inversion we can figure out. Crazy stuff. Love it. |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 18:51:47 GMT
This is obvs back to the Lyanna/Bael the Bard story. Also has some Sansa overtones. And the harp, no less, along with this spectacular Mance-ness. Cloak and boots, people. And...Ashara threw herself off a tower, and the only Prince handy was Rhaegar - or possibly a Dornish Prince? Lyanna did not throw herself off a tower (that we know of). The Stark maiden in the Bael tale did, but the stupid prince in her tale was her son. What if it happened just like Arya thinks it should have? To me this almost sounds like Lanna is Ashara with her eyes closed wishing Daeron was Rhaegar, then the last bit fits so well...that the lady should kill the ones who killed her prince, and that Rhaegar is at the Wall. However, neither Ashara nor Lyanna had golden hair...but maybe Rhaella did? |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 22:45:03 GMT
neither Ashara nor Lyanna had golden hair...but maybe Rhaella did? Lynesse did.  I'll still working on the next part, not sure if I will get back to it tonight. |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 22:47:49 GMT
"What do you know that you did not know when you left us?" the kindly man would ask as soon as he saw her. I know that Brusco's daughter Brea meets a boy on the roof when her father is asleep, she thought. Brea lets him touch her, Talea says, even though he's just a roof rat and all the roof rats are supposed to be thieves. If Brea is the Mormont daughter, then the meaning of "roof rat" is a wildling. I am a cat now, not a wolf. We suspect a baby swap, and here it is. The child at Bear Island is a wolf, but is supposed to pretend that she's a cat....but since it's an inversion it could be the other way around. It's kind of hard to tell. We need more clues. |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 22:48:14 GMT
neither Ashara nor Lyanna had golden hair...but maybe Rhaella did? Lynesse did. I'll still working on the next part, not sure if I will get back to it tonight. Of course! |
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 1, 2016 22:50:54 GMT
It made her angry to see Dareon sitting there so brazen, making eyes at Lanna as his fingers danced across the harp strings. The whores called him the black singer, but there was hardly any black about him now. With the coin his singing brought him, the crow had transformed himself into a peacock. Today he wore a plush purple cloak lined with vair, a striped white-and-lilac tunic, and the parti-colored breeches of a bravo, but he owned a silken cloak as well, and one made of burgundy velvet that was lined with cloth-of-gold. The only black about him was his boots. Cat had heard him tell Lanna that he'd thrown all the rest in a canal. "I am done with darkness," he had announced. Sounds like the inversion to Rhaegar...he exchanged his royal clothes (purple is a traditional royal color) for black...that is, if he really is Mance. |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 22:52:15 GMT
A couple of bizarro observations
Cat saves Samwell from Terro and Orbelo in the previous chapter. Why is this bizarro? Because if we place "Cat" in the Red Keep during the Sack, then it's quite possible Aegon was saved from Gregor and Amory.
To further mess with your head, Lynesse's er pimp is Tregar Ormollen.
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