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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 21, 2016 1:02:16 GMT
Dany quips to Yara that both their fathers were murdered by usurpers. Kind of strange, Jaime is never called a usurper.
Aslo, Tyrion reminds us about the wildfyre caches in KL, so whoever called that when Cersei and Qyburn talk about the little birds confirming something, I think that's it.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 21, 2016 2:21:00 GMT
Dany quips to Yara that both their fathers were murdered by usurpers. Kind of strange, Jaime is never called a usurper. Aslo, Tyrion reminds us about the wildfyre caches in KL, so whoever called that when Cersei and Qyburn talk about the little birds confirming something, I think that's it. I guess Dany was lumping Jaime in with Robert. 'Twas I that is predicting wildfire.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 21, 2016 3:19:25 GMT
Kind of strange, Jaime is never called a usurper. Because Jaime did not crown himself or call himself king, he just later claimed to have committed regicide for the rebellion, rather than to save KL and his father. Euron did claim the Driftwood Crown. He's king of the Iron Islands, and he admitted to killing his brother in order to get there.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 21, 2016 3:26:43 GMT
It could be symbolic of shielding Jon himself That's how I took it on face value, without going deeper into the Mormont connection. Jon is still being protected by the influence of Jeor Mormont. He saved Jon for greater things and trusted him beyond all others to do the right thing, so yeah, literally Mormont is still shielding Jon.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 21, 2016 4:21:01 GMT
And showing Jon in cold blue light continues Weasel Pie, even when they draw visual and story parallels to Dany...
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 21, 2016 10:36:48 GMT
And showing Jon in cold blue light continues Weasel Pie , even when they draw visual and story parallels to Dany... Great find, Dunc! Of course this underscores that they each represent their side: Dany for fire, and Jon for ice. The remaining question though is whether or not they will fight against their respective side, or join it?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jun 21, 2016 15:17:03 GMT
Dany quips to Yara that both their fathers were murdered by usurpers. Kind of strange, Jaime is never called a usurper. Aslo, Tyrion reminds us about the wildfyre caches in KL, so whoever called that when Cersei and Qyburn talk about the little birds confirming something, I think that's it. I guess Dany was lumping Jaime in with Robert. 'Twas I that is predicting wildfire. I agree, I think in the books Dany lumped them all together as the Usurper's dogs.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 21, 2016 15:48:40 GMT
Great find, Dunc! Of course this underscores that they each represent their side: Dany for fire, and Jon for ice. The remaining question though is whether or not they will fight against their respective side, or join it? That is the question, especially since Dany's still lumping those who won the rebellion together. Jon, even though he's not a Stark, would be seen as one. Let's hope they don't have to fight each other before they join forces to eliminate the threat to humanity. Unless, of course it turns out he's her nephew, then she'll fly over in a heartbeat to make peace with him.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jun 22, 2016 0:06:39 GMT
So who else thinks Jon and Sansa will marry for political reasons? Anyone? Anyone? Jonsa! Probs be next season.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 22, 2016 2:45:41 GMT
Yes it seems they're building up to something like that, but a marriage wouldn't legitimize Jon...or would it?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Jun 22, 2016 11:13:46 GMT
Sansa is only a woman, and a widow, and Jon just a bastard. Together though they can wield Winterfell, the wildlings, and tie the North together again.
Littlefinger has to go. He can't be hanging around the north with the Arryn army. Not unless Sansa is going to wed the wee Robin.
Jonsa
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jun 22, 2016 12:42:20 GMT
Can someone remind me how the show got around Sansa still being married to Tyrion, or did they just ignore that?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 22, 2016 13:13:00 GMT
Can someone remind me how the show got around Sansa still being married to Tyrion, or did they just ignore that? There were a few throw-away lines between Petyr and Roose about the marriage never being consummated. Nothing more than that, certainly nothing about the whole damned Kingdom knowing about the Sansa/Ramsay marriage ...except for Cersei.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 22, 2016 14:26:25 GMT
Can someone remind me how the show got around Sansa still being married to Tyrion, or did they just ignore that? They tossed it into the Plot Black Hole Sun.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 22, 2016 14:41:29 GMT
I have been up to my eyeballs in renovations so haven't had much time to discuss, but imma dump these thoughts here now just to clear them from my brainspace. Please spoiler-tag anything you guys feel is too revealing. OPINION: I predict that the whole Rickon thing will indeed play out in the books. Based on my Marvel stuff plus the hamhanded show plot, IMO House Stark will be betrayed and Rickon/Osha handed over to Ramsay, but not by the Umbers. House Manderly is going to do this honor. Remember two things: 1) The show never introduced a Manderly character ever....there's a guy with a merman/trident sigil on his surcoat flashed during the Red Wedding, but no actual character interaction with someone pegged as Manderly. Umber, however, was worked into the script with the whole "King in the North" thing; ergo, House Umber is "known" to viewers and can be used as the replacement Judas House. 2) In the books, Wyman has sent Davos to retrieve Rickon and Osha from Skagos. I think we'll see Davos fulfill his mission and then join Jon at the Wall, which puts all characters at the same point/place as show-world. However, Wyman is going to deliver Rickon to Ramsay in a massive shit betrayal of the Starks. (For the record, the Marvel plot arc of Dr. Strange in the Crypts of Kaa-U covers this as well.) If Rickon does indeed get executed via bolt from Bolton, the whole "why the hell didn't you zigzag?" thing makes sense as Rickon is, like, five. 5yos don't make wise decisions as a general rule, this I know from experience. Anyway, as far as Sansa is concerned, obviously none of her show arc is going down in the books, so my speculation on her is that she will arrive WITH Baelish and the army from the Vale in time to save the day, but with full intent of staking her claim to Winterfell (and eventually bequeathing it to Creepfinger via some machinations like marrying him or something equally revolting ). This pits her against Jon, and again allows intersection with the show. Back to painting!
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