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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 14:32:44 GMT
I did love that Cersei opted for her black dragonscale gown for the Sept roast. Very wise fashion choice, that. My very first thought when she donned that black number with the attaching chain was that she raided her father's wardrobe. I've got to see if I can find a photo, but I'm sure that's the same thing Tywin wore in his war council scenes in the Riverlands.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 27, 2016 15:02:44 GMT
I can handle changes for the sake of the television medium, but the retconning that is needed to bring it all back to the original book plot is just KILLING me. What a hot mess this has become. Retconning is precisely the right word, and it's happening more and more in the show. Lots to talk about between seasons, for certain. The one wild card in the chicken coop might be Euron, especially is he has a dragon horn stuffed in his shirt sleeve. That might be an interesting twist to have the two greyjoy fleets collide at sea and Euron binding one or more of the dragons to his side. Of course, this would have been easier to digest if they had introduced the dragon horn at the Kingsmoot. The fact that it wasn't there sort of suggests that its introduction is not likely. My point being is that with Dany, her unsullied, her Dothraki, her three dragons and formidable allies in Dorne and Hightower....well it seems to be a foregone conclusion, except for the North. Great call on this. So we've got the Yara/Greyjoy fleet, somehow Ellaria Sand has the clout to rule Dorne and command the Dornish Navy, the QoT pulled another fleet out of her arse and they all had Targ sails and ensigns made. Meanwhile the Iron Islanders are whipping up 1,000 ships out of all that rich forest on Pyke (heh) for Euron. So yes, I'm agreeing on a naval battle before Dany hits the shore, showLogic be damned. Anyone else rolling their eyes at the Dothraki suddenly becoming expert sailors, trimming the sails and hard a-leeing with impressive sea legs?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 15:34:27 GMT
the QoT pulled another fleet out of her arse On the show yes, they don't have a large naval force, but in the books they do. I'd like to see if Oldtown will be affected by all this. Have they even mentioned Hightower on the show? As bannermen to the Tyrells they'd have to declare for Dany. OOH I just had a thought! What will Randyll Tarly say about the Dothraki? If he hates the wildlings for no reason but cultural prejudice, how's he gonna react to having to work with the Horse Lords? LOLOL!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 15:36:12 GMT
Oh and I've watched the ToJ scene about 5 times now and I'm quite sure Lyanna names the baby AEMON Targaryen, not Aegon. So I don't know what the hell is going on anymore
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Post by ac on Jun 27, 2016 15:41:14 GMT
Anyone else rolling their eyes at the Dothraki suddenly becoming expert sailors, trimming the sails and hard a-leeing with impressive sea legs? Yeah, as they panned down the Dothraki on the ships I was expecting to see them all hurling over the side! Not sure if this was popular in the US but seems D&D have taken to ripping off the IT crowd too! www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTO8-tWc4USo after telling the story on quarter speed for pretty much the whole season they decided to hit fast-forward for the finale. Not sure what to make of it.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 27, 2016 15:44:49 GMT
Anyone else rolling their eyes at the Dothraki suddenly becoming expert sailors, trimming the sails and hard a-leeing with impressive sea legs? Apparently the Meereenese have some outstanding seamstresses too, being as they were able to pump out 1000 sails with the Targaryen sigil on them. Or maybe Varys teleported some from Dorne!! Actually, that brings me to another criticism. This show has absolutely zero concept of how to handle the passage of time, and/or the unfolding of plot on different timelines. I refuse to believe that there isn't a way to convey that, for example, all of the Northern stuff takes place over the course of a couple of weeks, whereas the Dany stuff is a few months at minimum. It makes sense that Varys went to Dorne after he left Tyrion in Meereen, so there's a monthish plus, and OK, Olenna Tyrell also went there after getting the news from KL, so at least another month, and then they conspired with the Sand Fakes on Fire and Blood and send Varys back to Meereen - another month. However, the show just completely, utterly fucked that up by staging it so that these events look contemporaneous or at the very least, shortly following one another. Or, Jaime makes it from the Twins back to KL in good enough time to see the ashes still smoldering, meaning not THAT much time has passed, and walks in to Cersei being crowned - but then we flash to Varys on board the ship with Dany, which couldn't have happened until after House Tyrell joined the alliance. If D&D tried or cared, they could make these competing timelines work but I supposed it's easier and cheaper to just phone it in and leave viewers confused.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 27, 2016 15:46:43 GMT
Oh and I've watched the ToJ scene about 5 times now and I'm quite sure Lyanna names the baby AEMON Targaryen, not Aegon. So I don't know what the hell is going on anymore I haven't rewatched yet, but if this is the case, D&D are going straight-up no-bones fanfic. That little nugget is directly from the RLJ threads.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 27, 2016 15:58:56 GMT
So after telling the story on quarter speed for pretty much the whole season they decided to hit fast-forward for the finale. Not sure what to make of it. So much this! They has some of the QoT's stewed prunes for the finale methinks. Oh and I've watched the ToJ scene about 5 times now and I'm quite sure Lyanna names the baby AEMON Targaryen, not Aegon. So I don't know what the hell is going on anymore Really, huh. I need to rewatch that again. Whoa. Apparently the Meereenese have some outstanding seamstresses too, being as they were able to pump out 1000 sails with the Targaryen sigil on them. hahaa However, the show just completely, utterly fucked that up by staging it so that these events look contemporaneous or at the very least, shortly following one another. Or, Jaime makes it from the Twins back to KL in good enough time to see the ashes still smoldering, meaning not THAT much time has passed, and walks in to Cersei being crowned - but then we flash to Varys on board the ship with Dany, which couldn't have happened until after House Tyrell joined the alliance. If D&D tried or cared, they could make these competing timelines work but I supposed it's easier and cheaper to just phone it in and leave viewers confused. Nailed it again. I guess they could fudge the Arya timeline enough for her to be at the Twins around the same time as the Battle for Winterfell ish. I find it hard to believe Arya wouldn't have heard of the Stark victory there during her travels. She was trained to watch and listen, it would be a hot topic, especially amongst the Freys. Petyr's instatravels were bad enough. Varys on Dany's ship at the end was ludicrous.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 27, 2016 16:02:00 GMT
If I was Arya, Walder Frey would be top on the list of who to kill first.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 27, 2016 16:14:15 GMT
Nailed it again. I guess they could fudge the Arya timeline enough for her to be at the Twins around the same time as the Battle for Winterfell ish. I find it hard to believe Arya wouldn't have heard of the Stark victory there during her travels. She was trained to watch and listen, it would be a hot topic, especially amongst the Freys. Petyr's instatravels were bad enough. Varys on Dany's ship at the end was ludicrous. I mean, GRRM goes back and forth in his timelines as well and not to say it isn't confusing, BUT at least he does drop little nuggets of info in the POVs while he's doing it so readers can place the scene at or near a particular point in time. Just to completely make something up here, say Tyrion is traveling to Volantis and at port hears that Jon Snow has executed Janos Slynt at the Wall. OK! So now we know approximately when this takes place. D&D does zero referencing like that so of course no one knows when anything is going on. For all we know, Jon has been kicking back as KitN for half a year by the time Dany raises anchor in Meereen.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 16:18:11 GMT
I haven't rewatched yet, but if this is the case, D&D are going straight-up no-bones fanfic. That little nugget is directly from the RLJ threads. Is it now? Well that's fitting. They've scoured the RLJ and Heresy for the last two seasons then because there has lots of things that come straight out of Heresy that I can remember from series 5.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 27, 2016 16:24:59 GMT
If I was Arya, Walder Frey would be top on the list of who to kill first. I agree, it makes the most sense since he was directly involved and made it happen. I wonder though, in that 2 truths, 1 lie piece, both Sophie and Maisie talk about 3 names off Arya's list. So are we to infer that Black Walder and the other one (can't recall his name at the mo') were on her list as well? Because neither of them was ever mentioned in the previous series at all. Black Walder would've been like Rorge, she didn't know his name, so she could not put him on her list, but as soon as she learned it she said Thank you, and killed him. Black Walder is the one how actually killed Catelyn in the show. And why was eyeballing Jaime like that? Did she want to kill him too?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 27, 2016 16:33:30 GMT
The whole ToJ scene IMO does play catch-up with the fandom. We all know RLJ seems an easy guess in the books. And we all know GRRM is taking his sweet time confirming that. Why? I mean... who cares if RLJ? Why not confirm it unquestionably? What does it matter, it's not going to change anything. Jon will still have to deal with Winter and Dany will still have to conquer what's left of Westeros. I'm standing by my belief that there is a reason GRRM has been so continually ambiguous about Jon's parentage. Because in the end it's not RLJ. But if D&D "guessed the mother correctly" did they presume the father is Rhaegar just like everyone else? Did they take the ToJ scene from the book as literal and not a fever dream? Why would GRRM warn it was a fever dream if it was literal?
GRRM could easily have let them troll the story, just so he's got a big surprise for his ouevre.
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Post by Melifeather on Jun 27, 2016 16:49:57 GMT
What was the SSM exactly regarding what D&D guessed for the mother? Didn't George just ask them who they thought the mother was? Did he confirm they were correct, or did he just smile?
IMO GRRM has got a big surprise coming with Jon's parentage, but not because of who his parents are, but rather who they are not. If "who they are not" is confirmed, then the big reveal will be spoiled, and the big reveal will be King Robert's betrayal.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 27, 2016 16:57:46 GMT
What was the SSM exactly regarding what D&D guessed for the mother? Didn't George just ask them who they thought the mother was? Did he confirm they were correct, or did he just smile? I'd have to dig for the original version, which I believe is GRRM asked them who Jon's mother was, and he must have liked their answer because he smiled and decided to go ahead with the HBO deal. That evolved into... they guessed the parents and George said they were right, and they guessed RLJ and George confirmed it.
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