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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2016 11:21:30 GMT
Has anyone had a close look at the final image of the astrolabe in the opening sequence. Here's what I see: - an eclipse - the moon blocking the sun - the blood eye - black pupil surrounded by red - two pyramids or mountains inverted; the mother of mountains and Braavos; a volcano and an underwater volcano - Euron's sigil - two crows and the red eye - also inverted - the three eyed crow - one above and one below i.ytimg.com/vi/XAgZOyklEZI/maxresdefault.jpg I do see it! The lighted wings of the four crows (two inverted) form the regular eyes of the three eyed crow, while the mountains also serve as beaks. The third eye only works on top (for me), but the pupil could serve as the moon with the light behind it as both an iris and a sun. I also noticed that the dragon and lion were on top, while the direwolf and stag on the bottom. Hopefully that means when Planetos is reversed, so will their fortunes.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 30, 2016 0:36:50 GMT
Random quote dump, nothing to see here.
A Clash of Kings: Theon talking with Aeron:
“Every morning brings a new day, much like the old.”
“In Riverrun, they would tell you different. They say the red comet is a herald of a new age. A messenger from the gods.” [comet as harbinger of destruction/cataclysmic event]
“A sign it is,” the priest agreed, “but from our god, not theirs. A burning brand it is, such as our people carried of old. It is the flame the Drowned God brought from the sea, and it proclaims a rising tide. [the flame from the sea that brings a rising tide = underwater volcano]
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 30, 2016 1:17:52 GMT
Oily black stone: description of raw obsidian. Obsidian not shiny/glassine until knapped and/or polished. Giant source of obsidian in New Mexico: Obsidian Ridge, part of the slope of the 13.7 mile wide Valles Caldera in the Jemez Mountains. Chunks of obsidian laying all around, and obsidian flows even visible on ground. "Hot springs, streams, fumaroles, natural gas seeps and volcanic domes dot the caldera floor landscape. The highest point in the caldera is Redondo Peak, an 11,253-foot (3,430 m) resurgent lava dome located entirely within the caldera. Also within the caldera are several grass valleys [Valle(s)] the largest of which is Valle Grande." "Valles Caldera is the younger of two calderas known at this location, having collapsed over and buried the older Toledo Caldera, which in turn may have collapsed over yet older calderas. These two large calderas formed during eruptions 1.47 million and 1.15 million years ago." Twin calderas, one destroyed by the other!!! "Use of Valles Caldera dates back to the prehistoric times: spear points dating to 11,000 years ago have been discovered. Several Native American tribes frequented the caldera, often seasonally for hunting and for obsidian, used for spear and arrow points. Obsidian from the caldera was traded by tribes across much of the Southwest. Eventually, Spanish and later Mexican settlers as well as the Navajo and other tribes came to the caldera seasonally for grazing with periodic clashes and raids." The interior of the caldera is grasslands. Vaes Dothrak:
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 30, 2016 1:32:51 GMT
Random quote dump, nothing to see here. A Clash of Kings: Theon talking with Aeron: “Every morning brings a new day, much like the old.” “In Riverrun, they would tell you different. They say the red comet is a herald of a new age. A messenger from the gods.” [comet as harbinger of destruction/cataclysmic event]
“A sign it is,” the priest agreed, “but from our god, not theirs. A burning brand it is, such as our people carried of old. It is the flame the Drowned God brought from the sea, and it proclaims a rising tide. [the flame from the sea that brings a rising tide = underwater volcano]I cannot believe I missed this passage! It is awesome! I hope you don't mind, but I've added it to my wheel of time essay for Heresy project.
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Post by winterbowl on Sept 28, 2016 13:06:07 GMT
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 28, 2016 16:10:41 GMT
Nice! Thanks for the link. Audible LOL at "Ben Affleck making sexy talk with animal crackers" You know, while I'm not going to rule out any type of meteoric impact for this stuff, I think that the science might almost be a bit *too* complex for the story. GRRM isn't a geologist or an astronomist, he's not going to be doing the levels of research needed about types of impact craters, minimum diameter and upward thrust of central islands, speed at impact, etc. Volcanoes (IMO) are a bit more straightforward: they blow up, it leaves a hole, the hole fills with water. An explanation of this type is accessible to everyone, relatively easy to understand across the reader base, and doesn't require multiple degrees in a scientific field to craft a fantasy story around it. Perhaps I'm underthinking it and GRRM really does have a major background in astrophysics. but....I like my volcanoes. We'll see eventually!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 28, 2016 16:17:39 GMT
Interesting and quite analytical. Isn't he a Westeros member? I saw LmL commented on the comments, lol. He has a good point on the calderas. But I have to say that one caldera with the ash cone is probably a good enough fit for the God's Eye. Planetos is Martin's world, and if he wants that ash cone to be in the centre, it's in the centre. And if he wants trees on that ash cone, he can have trees on it too.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 28, 2016 16:24:32 GMT
Interesting and quite analytical. Isn't he a Westeros member? I saw LmL commented on the comments, lol. I recognize the avatar as poster LordTooFatToSit, but not sure if it's the same guy. Of course LmL commented! He said the "m" word! lol ETA: Yep. It's the one I covered earlier in this thread - Crater Lake in Oregon, a place that GRRM has no doubt visited. I think people tend to erroneously disregard a lot of GRRM's own American upbringing, life experiences, and current surroundings in favor of their own complicated theories. I mean, do you think he developed his ideas from poring over a barely comprehensible Stephen Hawking book or from stepping outside into his own NM backyard and looking at all the cool geologic stuff there?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 28, 2016 17:48:03 GMT
I recognize the avatar as poster LordTooFatToSit That's the guy I was thinking of, just couldn't remember his name. IIRC, he posts a lot like the way this guy talks. I think people tend to erroneously disregard a lot of GRRM's own American upbringing, life experiences, and current surroundings in favor of their own complicated theories. I mean, do you think he developed his ideas from poring over a barely comprehensible Stephen Hawking book or from stepping outside into his own NM backyard and looking at all the cool geologic stuff there? Seriously, we know he does research and sometimes goes down some strange rabbit holes, but I think his natural environment plays a bigger part in what he writes. A good author always writes about what he knows, not what he's randomly read about. The research may play its part, but I doubt it will go so far down as to analysis soil conditions.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 3, 2017 18:55:25 GMT
Ravenous Reader posted a link to the photo below in the current Heresy thread. It was meant as a semi-joke, but honestly...look at it. LOOK AT IT. TWO MOUNTAINS. This is what I imagine that the Mother of Mountains in Vaes Dothrak looked like thousands and thousands of years ago - TWO volcanoes. One erupted, and is now the caldera lake that is the Womb of the World, from which life emerged, reborn, after the destruction. Destruction that brought forth dragons into the world. I discuss it earlier in this thread HERE , but will copy my thought process again so I don't lose it. Nissa Nissa, a name repeated, makes me think of two...twins... ...which goes back to the two moons of Qartheen legend, one that got too close to the sun... ...like mountains that get so large and high they look like they are kissing the sun... ...and two moons, round and pale and white, like a pair of breasts... ...or Missy's Teats, hills that resemble the buxom chest of Aegon IV's lover.. ...which makes me think of the Mother of Mountains, but mothers having TWO breasts... ...and then Nissa Nissa baring ONE breast to the sword that Azor Ahai is trying to "temper"... ...and AA thrusting his sword into her living HEART... ...like the HEART of an active volcano... ...and there being only ONE Mother of Mountains, that sits above the Womb of the World... ...a womb being what grows and develops children... ...children that are birthed from their mother... ...like a very large volcano that cracks open and releases dragons into the world... ...dragons that need their mother... ...who sacrificed herself so her children could be born. It's a cyclical myth of birth, sacrifice, and rebirth. Destruction and renewal. Daughter of death, bride of fire, mother of dragons. And repeating from the very first post in this thread: 1: Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, while her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon. Bare her breast, singular, one of two. Qartheen women bare only their left breast - the one atop the heart. 2. He told me the moon was an egg, Khaleesi,” the Lysene girl said. “ Once there were two moons in the sky, but one wandered too close to the sun and cracked from the heat. A thousand thousand dragons poured forth, and drank the fire of the sun. That is why dragons breathe flame. One day the other moon will kiss the sun too, and then it will crack and the dragons will return. One moon, singular, one of two. Round, pale, female...like a breast.3. Missy's Teats: pair of grassy hills in the disputed border area between Stone Hedge and Raventree Hall in the Riverlands. The hills resemble women's breasts, so they became known as the Teats or the Mother's Teats. Mother of Mountains in Vaes Dothrak. What do mothers do? They nurse their children at their breast.Womb of the World - the lake beneath the Mother of Mountains: deep, dark, cold, reported to have no bottom. CRATER LAKE. 4. "When the mountains blow in the air like leaves": ASH. 5. "while her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon": ERUPTION COLUMN.
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Post by min on Jan 3, 2017 19:15:21 GMT
You can see how a primitive people would literally think the sword pierced the breasts if and eruption followed!
I think Ned's dream of the blood streaked sky and the storm of pettles; the battle with Arthur Dayne itself is really a combat between the original opponents for the battle of the dawn. That the Daynes and the Starks are the ancestors of the originals which would point to Dany and Jon as well. When Dany wakes powers old and dark in MMD's ritural; fire magic is strengthened in the world. This is the beginning; the cause of the problem which then facilitates the counter reaction of the ice dragon to balance the forces. The 'beginning and the ending' of Ned's combat with Arthur.
It's Dany who wakes dragons or the old gods of the Valyrions. It wouldn't surprise me if she actually encounters one of her gods beneath the shadow of the mother of mountains.
Dany not only wakes the dragon but she is NOT supposed wake them. Untimately, she has to chain them underground:
Dany not only wakes the fire dragon; she wakes the ice dragon. This is the dragon with three heads (black/Arya, green/Bran, white/Jon). It could also be said that the Stark kids are chained in the dark as well.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 3, 2017 19:54:24 GMT
You can see how a primitive people would literally think the sword pierced the breasts if and eruption followed! Exactly! Remember what I was saying about historically comets were thought to foretell impending catclsym/doom? Well, imagine if the red comet (or some relative of it) was seen overhead, and appeared in the sky as a sword plunged into a mountainous 'breast' , releasing a cry of anguish and ecstacy? Or, if you're in a different part of the world that assigns different properties to the mountains, and view them as twin "moons" (bonus points if the mountain moons are snow-covered, as in white) that kiss the sky, and then one of those mountains gets too close to the sun and cracks open, releasing dragons?
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Post by min on Jan 3, 2017 20:05:43 GMT
You can see how a primitive people would literally think the sword pierced the breasts if and eruption followed! Exactly! Remember what I was saying about historically comets were thought to foretell impending catclsym/doom? Well, imagine if the red comet (or some relative of it) was seen overhead, and appeared in the sky as a sword plunged into a mountainous 'breast' , releasing a cry of anguish and ecstacy? Or, if you're in a different part of the world that assigns different properties to the mountains, and view them as twin "moons" (bonus points if the mountain moons are snow-covered, as in white) that kiss the sky, and then one of those mountains gets too close to the sun and cracks open, releasing dragons? Excellent! And for bonus points... the origin of the Qartheen fashion for women to expose only one breast.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jan 3, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
And for bonus points... the origin of the Qartheen fashion for women to expose only one breast. Yep! The left one...the one over the heart.
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Post by Melifeather on Jan 4, 2017 2:36:53 GMT
I'm right there with you sisters! I love all that you've proposed here. Warning, random thoughts to follow...I wonder if what happened at the Mother of Mountains was restricted to Essos? It's likely the source of Azor Ahai, but isn't it too far east to be an explanation for the fissures and basalt of Westeros? I know the land is one, but are volcanoes also part of Westeros's extinction past? I do like the idea of a volcano being the dragon that Bran/Summer saw leaving Winterfell. Ice is a burning substance as well as fire so should we conclude that the two continents had their respective extinction sources? (Essos had fire and volcanoes and Westeros had ice and glaciers)
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