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Post by Melifeather on Aug 21, 2016 12:51:40 GMT
Marwyn has large hands while dwarves have short spindly arms and small hands.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 21, 2016 14:32:46 GMT
In sorting out Marwyn's loyalties I can't help but recall that Qyburn had respect for Marwyn cuz he was the only maester at the Citadel that liked Qyburns work and theories. Qyburn is aligned with Cersei, but I don't think that necessarily means he's aligned with House Lannister.
Maester Pycelle was Tywin's man and Tywin was the Citadel's warrior to help rebuild the realm in their image. Ousting Targaryens and magic was their goal, but I suspect that Qyburn and Marwyn were fascinated with magic and therefore not onboard with the Citadel's goals.
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Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 14:46:35 GMT
Marwyn has large hands while dwarves have short spindly arms and small hands. Sometime they have normal sized hands that seem too large for their proportions. I remember David Warwick in Willow. It's the thing I noticed. Also Harry Potter. Normal size head and hands out of proportion to the body makes them look too big.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 21, 2016 14:49:00 GMT
Maester Aemon was placed in a cask full of rum aboard the Cinnamon Wind, which is the ship Marwyn is using to leave Oldtown. There is a corpse pickled in brine being shipped on the stinky steward out of Volantis. This is the one that Tyrion is aboard. It's hard to tell the exact timeline since Feast and Dance have been split up, but I think these events (Marwyn and Tyrion) are happening at near the same time.
When Quaithe gives warning to Dany of the people to beware, Marwyn isn't on the list. Not that I can make out from Quaithe's cryptic cautions. So I wonder if Quaithe and Marwyn are in communication, and possibly in league, with one another through the glass candles.
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Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 15:00:35 GMT
Maester Aemon was placed in a cask full of rum aboard the Cinnamon Wind, which is the ship Marwyn is using to leave Oldtown. There is a corpse pickled in brine being shipped on the stinky steward out of Volantis. This is the one that Tyrion is aboard. It's hard to tell the exact timeline since Feast and Dance have been split up, but I think these events (Marwyn and Tyrion) are happening at near the same time. When Quaithe gives warning to Dany of the people to beware, Marwyn isn't on the list. Not that I can make out from Quaithe's cryptic cautions. So I wonder if Quaithe and Marwyn are in communication, and possibly in league, with one another through the glass candles. Yes Quaith is pretty tough to get around. It's another riddle with many possible interpretations. I've considered whether Marwyn is hidden from Quaithe in some way. Moqorro certainly sees him and so does Tyrion in a sense when he recognizes the bar sinister creeping up behind him. No. Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass candles are burning. Dark Flame could refer to someone who uses a glass candle. (So another warning about the glass candles burning in the house of Urrathon Night-Walker in Qarth - possibly Marwyn and Euron's destination) Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal . I'm not certain that Moqorro is the dark flame although we end up with Victarion and Moqorro travelling together. This could also be Euron and Marywin who chased the Stinky Steward to it's destruction. The perfumed seneschal could very well be Mopatis or Varys or someone in her service now. I take lion and griffin to be a hook-up with Cersei and Connington at some point since Tyrion no longer travels with him. The sun's son and mummer's dragon; can be Quentin Martell since he's pretty much out of the picture. So possibly someone from Dorne, Dorion Martell hooking up with fAegon?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 21, 2016 15:03:45 GMT
I'm not sure that GRRM wants to give it away so easily. All Marwyn lacks is the label. What are some of GRRM's descriptions of Marwyn's physical activities? Walking, sitting, etc. He uses some pretty specific language to describe how the known dwarves in the series move. If Marwyn is a dwarf, he is not an achondroplasic dwarf like Tyrion. If anything, I'd suspect his body type is more LOTR dwarf - in fact, he'd probably resemble Gimli with a haircut.
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Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 15:06:57 GMT
I'm not sure that GRRM wants to give it away so easily. All Marwyn lacks is the label. What are some of GRRM's descriptions of Marwyn's physical activities? Walking, sitting, etc. He uses some pretty specific language to describe how the known dwarves in the series move. If Marwyn is a dwarf, he is not an achondroplasic dwarf like Tyrion. If anything, I'd suspect his body type is more LOTR dwarf - in fact, he'd probably resemble Gimli with a haircut. As someone who is taller; he may not have the same joint and bone problems and may not have as much difficulty with motor skills.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 22, 2016 19:09:14 GMT
I posted the following in another thread about Marwyn where someone theorized that Marwyn was a Targ bastard due to his statement about blood while chewing and spitting sourleaf:
Marwyn can be magical if he's a Royce from the Vale. The Royces claim their bronze and iron armor engraved with ruins is magical and the red spit may be indicative that it's not his blood that makes him magical, but rather due to a device that his family uses.
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Post by min on Aug 23, 2016 11:29:10 GMT
In sorting out Marwyn's loyalties I can't help but recall that Qyburn had respect for Marwyn cuz he was the only maester at the Citadel that liked Qyburns work and theories. Qyburn is aligned with Cersei, but I don't think that necessarily means he's aligned with House Lannister. He the kindly old grandfather type as described by Cersei. Just the sort of character you don't want to trust in this story. Another smiling eye with a dark heart. I think at some point she will end up in the black cells subject to his tender mercies. Cersei has managed to surround herself with all the people who shouldn't be trusted; who'd sell her out in a minute. I think Qyburn is likely aligned with Littlefinger and Marwyn.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 23, 2016 11:37:17 GMT
I think the Citadel in general was on the side of Houses Lannister and Baratheon when overthrowing House Targaryen. The Faith wants the Iron Throne to be under the control of an Andal. The Faith could view Cersei as a problem, and maybe that is why the Faith Militant went after her...the moral charges simply an excuse to remove her from power. Qyburn is an outcast of the Citadel, so his goals are likely different, but to put his goals at odds with Cersei's would insert a third agenda. Cersei's only goal is to keep the throne for herself. The Faith wants an Andal with loyalty to the church. So what do you think Qyburn wants? Are Qyburn and Marwyn Dany supporters?
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Post by min on Aug 23, 2016 16:06:44 GMT
I think the Citadel in general was on the side of Houses Lannister and Baratheon when overthrowing House Targaryen. The Faith wants the Iron Throne to be under the control of an Andal. The Faith could view Cersei as a problem, and maybe that is why the Faith Militant went after her...the moral charges simply an excuse to remove her from power. Qyburn is an outcast of the Citadel, so his goals are likely different, but to put his goals at odds with Cersei's would insert a third agenda. Cersei's only goal is to keep the throne for herself. The Faith wants an Andal with loyalty to the church. So what do you think Qyburn wants? Are Qyburn and Marwyn Dany supporters?Not to my mind. They are aligned with Euron; they want to feast on the food of forever with him. They are all three sorcerers, bitter creatures. I think that Cersei will end up as his rock wife but only after Qyburn and Marwyn are finished with her. She won't survive that encounter except as Frankenstein's wife. From the Forsaken chapter; it looks to me like Melisandre will end up captured and become his salt wife. The tall shadow with the pale hands burning with fire. That would be a kind of inversion of Stannis, his wife and Melisandre. Euron thinks he will become Azor Ahai. He is transforming himself or being forged into a weapon. The formula is water, lion, bride of fire. He's getting reading to sacrifice Aeron a holy man representing water; Cersei is the lion's heart and Mel is the bride of fire. You should have a look at her valonqar dreams in Marwin the Mage. In the very last dream; Cersei feels a pain like a blade. Euron is teamed with Marwyn. The opposing power is Tyrion whose soul is also being forged; broken on water (the bar sinister thread); he has the heart of a lion, but like Bran, he must find his heart; the heart of fire, Dany. Tyrion is the one who will bring her wisdom and guidance in place of Aemon. Dany is teamed with Tyrion. I think in the end the forces of fire will meet the forces of ice at the Wall and annihilate each other. I think that's when the horn of joramun will make it's reappearance.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 23, 2016 16:57:17 GMT
Qyburn and Marwyn may also simply be interested in magic in general, but I think Marwyn was the only one that showed any concern for the upcoming battle. I got the gist that they were more interested in what's about to happen rather than helping any one side over the other. They both have contempt for the Citadel's position that it thinks it can control things by eradicating magic. Marwyn wanted to go to Dany, but I'm not sure if he's all that interested in helping her.
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Post by min on Aug 23, 2016 19:25:58 GMT
Qyburn and Marwyn may also simply be interested in magic in general, but I think Marwyn was the only one that showed any concern for the upcoming battle. I got the gist that they were more interested in what's about to happen rather than helping any one side over the other. They both have contempt for the Citadel's position that it thinks it can control things by eradicating magic. Marwyn wanted to go to Dany, but I'm not sure if he's all that interested in helping her. I think Marwyn is a well disguised villain.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 24, 2016 0:52:28 GMT
I've gone back and forth with Marwyn as good guy or bad guy. I have to agree with Melifeather that he is in it for the magic. His life is devoted to knowledge in any form: a counter to Tyrion who waves away anything concerning otherworldly aspects. Ironically, dragons are magical creatures and Tyrion is quasi-obsessed with them. Marwyn though is using the glass candles, learning from anyone and everyone, and in a way, is like Varys in his gathering of intel/whispers. What better place in Westeros than Oldtown, a major seaport with a citadel, for worldy information? Form another angle - Why does Marwyn care to help Dany to be the Dragon Reborn Azor Ahai reborn/the prince that was promised? Could be he wants to wipe out some enemies, like the grey sheep, though I don't see him aligned with Euron's cause. Otherwise he wouldn't be making all haste to Dany. Victarion was sent for that task. By Euron himself. I think Marwyn wants to save her from being used to other ends for other people other than his own.
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Post by min on Aug 24, 2016 1:59:21 GMT
Just you wait, unbelievers. Two years ago, I said Euron was a badass and a major player and nobody believed me then. Euron isn't sitting at home on the throne waiting for his ridiculous brother Victarion to go out collect his 'bride' for him and bring him the dragons. He's on his way to Qarth to the House of Urrathon Night-Walker with his wing man Marwyn perched in the crow's nest. Victarion is a diversion but he's too dumb to know it. It sounds like Moqorro is there to screw up the best laid plans. Marwyn is one of those characters that we know only by two degrees of separation. The best liars include a certain amount of truth in their stories. Aemon never mentions Marwyn. He thinks he's going to meet someone else. Yet Sam is basically intercepted and then told to keep his mouth shut or his own life could be at stake. Marwyn is closted in his chambers with a faceless man while listening in on Sam's talk with Alleras. I find that a bit suspicious, since the Alchemist is probably the same FM who killed Balon. If you recall Jaqen telling Arya that once given a name; that person will die at some point; whether that's now or a year from now. When Marwyn leaves he tells Pate the FM "to take care of this one." That's a bit ominous.
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