|
Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 21, 2016 15:14:46 GMT
And what's with the broken sword? A token taken from battle? The War of the Ninepenny Kings? Maybe a broken pledge. Does someone else have the other half of the sword? I think you mean a tower of joy.
|
|
|
Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 21, 2016 15:17:25 GMT
This reminds me...have I mentioned that one of the major Marvel bad guys from the hippie era is none other than Thanos, the Mad Titan? I'll be getting to him...one day. Thanos: House Baelish: LOLOLOLOL Even the fan artists take inspiration from the comics. They're all feeding off the same muses.
|
|
|
Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 21, 2016 15:22:31 GMT
Even the fan artists take inspiration from the comics. They're all feeding off the same muses. Oh, I know... Other fantasy authors admit to it too. Tad Williams is a self-proclaimed huge Marvel fan; Neil Gaiman has written for Marvel....it's everywhere. And yet people scoff when I say that GRRM is also drawing from that well of inspiration. Really?
|
|
|
Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 21, 2016 15:23:17 GMT
A token taken from battle? The War of the Ninepenny Kings? Maybe a broken pledge. Does someone else have the other half of the sword? Considering House Baelish is only a generation old, it had to be something from something relatively recent. GGrandfather was a sellsword from Braavos. Grandfather a hedge knight. Father was the one who was finally landed. I think you mean a tower of joy. whoa! hehe. I think the two are possibly related - the tower and the broken sword - and could be either in a literal sense or in an inverse sense. Because of course in the story of the JoyFort, there a famous swordfight. Hrm.
|
|
|
Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 21, 2016 15:26:26 GMT
Wait maybe his father had a broken sword.Unable to have an heir. (lol) And yet people scoff when I say that GRRM is also drawing from that well of inspiration. Riiiight... GRRM only ever loved dry historical tomes. How dare you suggest his formative years were consumed with the golden and silver age of comics?
|
|
|
Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 15:43:30 GMT
Riiiight... GRRM only ever loved dry historical tomes. How dare you suggest his formative years were consumed with the golden and silver age of comics? LOL! Petyr's motivation could come from knowing who is father really was and what happened to his mother. Tytos was by all accounts a kindly and generous man who would have looked out for Petyr's future instead of sending the mother to a brothel where he was born. Tyrion loathed his father for losing the family fortune and he loathed Petyr' mother. I smell revenge.
|
|
|
Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 21, 2016 15:48:05 GMT
A token taken from battle? The War of the Ninepenny Kings? Maybe a broken pledge. Does someone else have the other half of the sword? Considering House Baelish is only a generation old, it had to be something from something relatively recent. GGrandfather was a sellsword from Braavos. Grandfather a hedge knight. Father was the one who was finally landed. I think you mean a tower of joy. whoa! hehe. I think the two are possibly related - the tower and the broken sword - and could be either in a literal sense or in an inverse sense. Because of course in the story of the JoyFort, there a famous swordfight. Hrm. The Ninepenny Kings were only forty years past. I got this from the wiki - "Hoster Tully became acquainted with Lord Baelish during this event which subsequently led to Lord Tully taking his son, Petyr Baelish, on as a ward.[11] ↑ US Signing Tour (Half Moon Bay, CA) And , of course, the War began in the free cities then moved on to the Stepstones where East and West met up as allies and foes. Tywin is there too while his father is back home with the mistress. Not saying the sword must be from this. Nevertheless, the timing is right for friendships, pacts, wardens and all kinds of shenanigans.
|
|
|
Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 21, 2016 16:00:29 GMT
Considering House Baelish is only a generation old, it had to be something from something relatively recent. GGrandfather was a sellsword from Braavos. Grandfather a hedge knight. Father was the one who was finally landed. This reminds me of something I was thinking about last night....the name BAELISH. We've been wondering about the name and its connection to the story, but we've been associating it with Petyr. Well, really, if you think about it, Petyr is the wrong generation. Whatever his origin turns out to be, the name was inherited from the earlier generations - Littlefinger had nothing to do with it; i.e. it wasn't a conscious recent adoption like the mockingbird sigil. So, if we want to find the Bael-ish significance, we have to go back a couple of generations. Is this a Braavosi surname that GGfather brought with him? Is it a name that the hedge knight Gfather took later when he entered service, or the name that Petyr's father took when he landed? (I'm thinking of Bronn here - being "just Bronn", then Ser Bronn of the Blackwater, then finally marrying into House Stokeworth...he hasn't taken the name yet but I think that's the next step for a husband of lower station than his wife, so eventually he will become Bronn Stokeworth...and any children he bears by Lollys will also be Stokeworths. Afaik Duncan the Tall never had a surname either.) Point being, we should jump in the wayback machine to find out how one of Petyr's forebears became Bael-ish.
|
|
|
Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 21, 2016 16:34:09 GMT
Petyr's great-gandfather isn't named, is he? So, yeah, it could have been a Braavos name or it could be he chose it after settling in the Vale. Interesting that great-grandpa Baelish was a sellsword from the other side of the Wall sea whose descendant later fights against the sellswords from the east.
|
|
|
Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 21, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
Petyr is the wrong generation. I was about to comment this but you are a !! Is Bael-ish a name created to mock someone who was Bael-ish? Obvs. Now just to figure out who and why. Nice point about Bronn/Stokeworth. Petyr's great-gandfather isn't named, is he? So, yeah, it could have been a Braavos name or it could be he chose it after settling in the Vale. Interesting that great-grandpa Baelish was a sellsword from the other side of the Wall sea whose descendant later fights against the sellswords from the east. Unless the bastard descendant is fated to unknowingly kill his own father? Hrm.
|
|
|
Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 22:13:37 GMT
There are several versions of Lann the Clever story. What do you think about this one from Westeros wiki:
Archmaester Perestan proposed that Lann must have been a retainer in service of House Casterly who impregnated the lord's daughter - or daughters - and persuaded the father to give him the girl in marriage. Yandel considers that if this lord had no trueborn sons, then in the natural course of events the Rock then passed to said daughter, and hence Lann, upon the father's death. Whatever the case, House Casterly suddenly vanishes from chronicles and histories and in its place appears the hitherto-unknown House Lannister.
|
|
|
Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 22, 2016 1:06:16 GMT
Nice. No doubt that has a Bael-ish like ring to it.
|
|
|
Post by Maester Flagons on Aug 22, 2016 2:09:03 GMT
There are several versions of Lann the Clever story. What do you think about this one from Westeros wiki: Archmaester Perestan proposed that Lann must have been a retainer in service of House Casterly who impregnated the lord's daughter - or daughters - and persuaded the father to give him the girl in marriage. Yandel considers that if this lord had no trueborn sons, then in the natural course of events the Rock then passed to said daughter, and hence Lann, upon the father's death. Whatever the case, House Casterly suddenly vanishes from chronicles and histories and in its place appears the hitherto-unknown House Lannister. Cool. I couldn't come up with any scenario where Baelish would come from Bael, in a reasonable, in-story manner. Lann to Lannister was there under my nose. And now I'm thinking about it, Stark to Karstark and Waters to Longwaters are two more examples. Are there more?
|
|
|
Post by min on Aug 22, 2016 2:58:47 GMT
Cool. I couldn't come up with any scenario where Baelish would come from Bael, in a reasonable, in-story manner. Lann to Lannister was there under my nose. And now I'm thinking about it, Stark to Karstark and Waters to Longwaters are two more examples. Are there more? I wondered about it because of Jaime's weirwood stump dream. Just before he goes back to get Brienne out of the bear pit. He sees Cersei, Tywin and Joffrey and a long line of shadows going back to Lann the Clever. Although, the dream seems to be about Brienne; it's also a foreshadowing dream. Because those three die shortly afterwards and Tywin hasn't given Jaime the sword yet. So I wonder if this is saying something about the extinction of house Lannister since Cersei tells him that when the light goes out he will too.
|
|
|
Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 27, 2016 17:59:41 GMT
Something you guys said upthread about the Baelish name triggered the memory of a post Urrax made on Sable Hall. Petyr Baelish is the real world equivalent of Thomas Cromwell. This sounds quite Petyr like -- As does this --
|
|