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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 2, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
Now how to bring in Lyanna... This is a lot of random. Let me know if you would prefer all of this elsewhere. Lyanna represents wolfblood, AKA warg blood, which might be a magic ingredient to advance the "wake the dragon" ritual. But she's also very closely associated with horses, which Imma presume means she's a skinchanger, not just a warg, and she was skinchanging horses at times. Note that this is a very Dany-like trait. In MMRs tent, the horse is sacrificed, at the ToJ, the horse "Lyanna" is sacrified. In MMRs tent, Dany's human horse-associated (Dothraki father) baby is swapped out for the contents of the dragon's egg (?) we can presume based on the story Jorah tells. The problem is we don't have a first-hand account of this, only Jorah's few lines to Dany. Conclusion here might be that Jorah is the problem (memory tampering, pawn of the Hightowers etc). So what's the significance of Ned returning Dustin's horse? Something about Lyanna's (horse) bones remembering? Why the Willam/Willem thing, George? Did the horse's proximity to the blood magic mean it was affected/inhabited in some way? This reminds me a lot of the words are wind/last words of Robb theories, that Robb entered Grey Wind in an almost spontaneously act of skinchanging. Maybe Varamyr's chapter is telling us more. We do have Dany probably ending up back in Vaes Dothrak in the book, where she may be meeting up with the dosh khaleen - who will probably know what really happened to Rhaego. Can the spirit/essence of the fetus time-travel, so to speak? Or... if Dany was actually born months after the war ended, the blood-magic transfer would go into her while she was in an egg/fetus state. Was some of Lyanna's "centaur" nature transferred to Dany or is this just a clue to place Lyanna in proximity to Dany? Was "Dany" in an egg near Lyanna? My conclusion is that Ashara had to be involved and is probably the mother of Dany who is actually Rhaegar, but I'm not ruling out a Rhaella/Ashara switcheroo to have happened here. Again, Ashara looking like a Targ is a loose Chekhov's cannon. I think Lyanna's involvement is because they needed the wolf-blood - the wolfiest wolf-blood possible, the result of mating wolf with wolf (Lyanna and Brandon) to merge with the result of the dragon mating with the dragon (Aerys and Rhaella). But the wolf/wolf (Lyanna's egg/fetus) was merged with the dragon/dragon (Rhaegar) through blood magic, not sex. Put a pregnant Ashara/Rhaella in proximity and their fetus is affected. Have this new wolf/wolf/dragon/dragon superbaby born in captivity while they all hang out waiting to see what's so special about it. So Jon being child of three - Lyanna, Brandon (wolf wolf) and Rhaegar (fire fire), but not through Rhaegar having sexy time with Lyanna. Through the blood magic of wolf shadow and fire shadow. Dany, the Princess that was promised being Rhaegar, the Prince that was Promised. Dragon sex-change. Also can't forget that Rhaegar said AEGON was TWTWP, so I'm holding onto a thought that it was Aegon TPTWP that was turned into Dany TPTWP.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 2, 2017 17:48:02 GMT
I need to digest this on a real monitor. But yes, dustin's horse and the centaur- wolf are a part of it all, totally.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 2, 2017 17:57:33 GMT
Also, re: time traveling fetuses and a soul going into the unborn.... Rhaegar was cremated after the trident, with zero details given about that. We have Aerys liking to burn rolls, rhaella supposedly being raped, the hooded woman leaving for dragonstone. Things to think about.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 2, 2017 18:26:16 GMT
Burn FOLKS
God I hate this phone
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 2, 2017 18:51:00 GMT
Ok , yes, soul transference with Lyanna as catalyst. Still thinking.
Rhaego is stillborn all dragon like , but had been alive and well up until the tail end of the tent ceremony. It wasn't until the blood magic ritual that he died and was replaced by a monster "dead for years". Rhaego' s life was the price to restore the 'king' Drogo.
Ashara bore a stillborn daughter at some point. Was her child the price to restore another? That as with Dany and Rhaego, this was magic gone wrong.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 3, 2017 2:07:41 GMT
When I was in jr high I recall laughing at one of the boys on the bus sitting in the backseat complaining that the heater was too hot by yelling, "the biscuits are burning!"
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 3, 2017 2:37:06 GMT
When I was in jr high I recall laughing at one of the boys on the bus sitting in the backseat complaining that the heater was too hot by yelling, "the biscuits are burning!" As soon as I read what I had typed, I had this visual of Aerys puffing on a fatty that would make Cheech and Chong proud. lol Also can't forget that Rhaegar said AEGON was TWTWP, so I'm holding onto a thought that it was Aegon TPTWP that was turned into Dany TPTWP. This touches on another crackpot I've been thinking on, which was that the original Aegon - the prince that was promised - was in fact frail and sickly Elia's child, and Real Aegon died in birth/infancy. Elia was a preemie, per Oberyn - mothers who are born prematurely have a greater chance of giving birth prematurely themselves, hence some of the confusion around Aegon's time of birth...it wasn't a full-term pregnancy, and he didn't live. Rhaegar still needed his PtwP though, so he went to find one - or somehow bring back the one he'd lost. Someone somewhere had mentioned the oddity of Elia looking so hale and hearty in Dany's HotU vision, for someone who had nearly died in childbirth. That made me think of this statement from Oberyn: I think we're getting a hint here that Elia did exactly that - nursed a child that either wasn't her own, or horribly deformed, or both. That maybe the "Aegon" she is nursing in the big wooden bed in the HotU vision is a) the original before his death, which was long before the Sack, b) Aegon 2.0 that was taken as a replacement, or c) a resurrected Aegon that maybe doesn't look quite as human anymore. Was also speculating that "something" happened at Dragonstone w/r/t Aegon's birth that needed to be super-hush, and that's why Dragonstone's maesters seemed to be MIA along with Walys Flowers during the war. Remember, maesters are sworn to castles, not houses, yet Stannis had to bring Cressen with him to Dragonstone instead of using the ones already there. Why? My thoughts went to Maegor and his executions of all those who worked at building the Red Keep: "Only the blood of the dragon would ever know the secrets of the fortress the Dragonlords had built, he vowed." I wondered if only the blood of the dragon would ever know the secrets surrounding the birth of Aegon VI, too. We only hear the bit about "she would bear no more children" from Jon Connington, who apparently got this secondhand from the Dragon Prince himself - " the maesters told Prince Rhaegar afterward." I suspect this is BS, and that Rhaegar had them killed to shut them up about what really happened to baby Aegon.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 3, 2017 14:28:11 GMT
As soon as I read what I had typed, I had this visual of Aerys puffing on a fatty that would make Cheech and Chong proud. lol Apparently your definition of "rolls" is different than mine!
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Post by min on Oct 4, 2017 5:24:55 GMT
Chataya is a Summer Islander:
Pillow house rather than brothel.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Nov 25, 2017 5:22:50 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if Dany's origins may closely follow another alleged Targaryen, Young Griff. Taking inspiration from SPND's red door/red light theory, let's take a look at Chatalay's brothel:
So we have a lamp shining through scarlet glass over the front door, in other words we may have SPND's "red door". Dany remembers it being a large house, a stone house, and carved wood within.
So we have most everything from Dany's memories (Including I'd assume scented oils) except for one big omission, the lemon tree. Unless of course some of the patterned leaded glass was in the shape of a lemon tree.
But there is another location that could fit some of Dany's memories as well:
We don't have a large stone house, instead we have the boat houses of the Orphans of the Green blood. Lots of carved wood and they look out onto an orchard of lemon trees.
Now let's take a look at Young Griff's probable origins:
Now there is a pretty compelling argument that Serra is Young Griff's mother. My thought is when Illryio brought Serra into his household he may have also brought her young son, Griff as well, especially if Illyrio and Varys believed that Griff could pass as a Targaryen. So from pillow house to Illyrio's manse and from Illyrio's manse to a Rhoynish houseboat:
So what if both Dany and Young Griff originally came from a Lady of a Pillow House? Chataya's brothel has a secret passage that leads into the Red Keep, so it's definitely possible that if there was some chicanery involving Rahella secretly leaving King's Landing, and a substitute being put in her place, Chataya's could very well factor in. Or more prosaically, Aerys, like Robert (and possibly like Tywin) may have visited Chataya's and perhaps partook in some prostitutes with a certain mixture of King's Blood. Perhaps Marei's mother?
Could Marei be Dany's half-sister?
So does Varys take Dany from Chataya's at a very young age, just old enough to have memories of a big stone house with a red door, and bring her to a houseboat on the Green Blood, where her memories provide her with a lemon tree outside of her window? And then in turn does Oberyn bring Dany to Braavos, to serve as Viserys' "sister" a pretense they need to cultivate to use her later on as a coin to gather an army for Viserys, which in turn was to be used as a distraction to their actual pawn, Young Griff?
Who after a time spent in Illyrio's Manse is then moved to a Rhoynish houseboat some time before Dany is brought into Illyrio's manse?
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