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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 6, 2016 15:25:47 GMT
She clearly believes that Jon is the result of Ned meeting his "man's needs" during the year they were apart. Yeah,but her belief doesn't exclude that she is wrong even her thoughts indicate that.If Ned fathered a child on some girl met on campaign then he could have fathered Jon before they got married.He was already on campaign.And the Fisherman's daughter story points to that.So she convinced herself that it was after her,she didn't know Ned and her thoughts were of Robb.That's where this rational came from,securing Robb's status. But from her convo with Ned its clear he didn't tell her anything about Jon except that he is Ned's blood.So i think Cat's belief is based on what was best for Rob.There's no way she would no unless Ned sent her off a letter before she got to WF saying "I fathered a bastard after we were married." And here's the kicker, Bran's vision of Ned at WF's Heartree " May they grow up as brothers and may my lady wife forgive me" So at that point its safe to say Ned hadn't told Cat anything.Ned's at WF at some point and so is Jon.So Cat's about to roll up on Jon with his wetnurse.If she did know anything all someone could have her Ned has a bastard because Ned has avoided all questions pertaing to Jon. So from a religious worship perspective, there would be no harm no foul if a Beltane fertility ritual was performed at Samhain, and the "spring gods" honored instead of the Aos Si or other spirits that should be appeased? I'm just wondering if there would be some impact in a fantasy story if people unintentionally celebrated the wrong thing at the wrong time, maybe letting the wrong gods wander through the veil. All about letting a certain type of magic into the world at the wrong time. Does that make sense? It does make sense that's why in magical settings the casting of the circle,the cardinals and certain symbols are neccessary.For instance i have a rib from my great grandmother.In my belief yes there would be some disrespect to the ancestors because that is what Samhain is about.Honoring the ancestors and the dead. The goddess is in her Crone form at that time and the horned god is engaged in the wild hunt to provide food when the cold decends.Seeing as Wicca is a fertility religion you can perform a "great rite" if the coven needs help in someway and even then you still have to take precautions because you can't control what comes through the veil that's already thin, you can get many a hitch-hikers if you aren't careful hence the circle it acts not only for protection but focus.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 6, 2016 15:49:19 GMT
It does make sense that's why in magical settings the casting of the circle,the cardinals and certain symbols are neccessary.For instance i have a rib from my great grandmother.In my belief yes there would be some disrespect to the ancestors because that is what Samhain is about.Honoring the ancestors and the dead. The goddess is in her Crone form at that time and the horned god is engaged in the wild hunt to provide food when the cold decends.Seeing as Wicca is a fertility religion you can perform a "great rite" if the coven needs help in someway and even then you still have to take precautions because you can't control what comes through the veil that's already thin, you can get many a hitch-hikers if you aren't careful hence the circle it acts not only for protection but focus. Very interesting. And you mention the goddess being in her Crone form, which is winter, and I'm wondering what would be the ramification of 'summoning' her more or less in her spring 'maiden' form at a time when she's supposed to be in her crone form. Like, everything would get all wibbly wobbly and confused with seasons being out of whack and whatnot. FWIW, I'm trying to tie together some mythology involving the Crone/Maiden and the Korrigan, particularly in the arena of fertility and sacred prostitution. I have no idea why, as it probably isn't related to anything, but that's where my head's at.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 6, 2016 21:09:33 GMT
It does make sense that's why in magical settings the casting of the circle,the cardinals and certain symbols are neccessary.For instance i have a rib from my great grandmother.In my belief yes there would be some disrespect to the ancestors because that is what Samhain is about.Honoring the ancestors and the dead. The goddess is in her Crone form at that time and the horned god is engaged in the wild hunt to provide food when the cold decends.Seeing as Wicca is a fertility religion you can perform a "great rite" if the coven needs help in someway and even then you still have to take precautions because you can't control what comes through the veil that's already thin, you can get many a hitch-hikers if you aren't careful hence the circle it acts not only for protection but focus. Very interesting. And you mention the goddess being in her Crone form, which is winter, and I'm wondering what would be the ramification of 'summoning' her more or less in her spring 'maiden' form at a time when she's supposed to be in her crone form. Like, everything would get all wibbly wobbly and confused with seasons being out of whack and whatnot. FWIW, I'm trying to tie together some mythology involving the Crone/Maiden and the Korrigan, particularly in the arena of fertility and sacred prostitution. I have no idea why, as it probably isn't related to anything, but that's where my head's at. Ohhh i see where you are going with this if you use the morrigan and her consort king angle.Three symbols associated with predominantly are;crow/raven,wolf and moon. That gets a bit into left-hand magic territory once you start including her.Ritualistic rape might come into play.You still have the players except the goddess will be the dark mother or the great goddess. Note:Who are the crows said to be agents of in this story?
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